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scotts33

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From the Corner
« on: September 23, 2005, 03:21:16 AM »
Sounding off here.  I've found over the past few years lane conditions whether they are league or tournmament just get to squirrely.  With the kinds of patterns, lane conditioning equipment, various lane surfaces, various kinds of lane conditioners and various players using every ball under the sun on every line.........the ability to be able to use the old swing shot is becoming more and more of a challenge.

So, this is what I am doing more and more of.  Just this last week both leagues I've bowled in the patterns were goofy to say the least.  Flatter and weird almost impossible to control the backend.  

I've taken to rolling off the corner with various equipment but mostly an Amulet Glow and a G/B Centaur.  I may get a new Slate to use in this type of shot/technique.  Basically, I use the old style technique of rolling the ball from the corner <right side near board 1 to 3 lay down....I am right handed> and rolling it towards the 1-3 pocket with an end over end roll.  Surprizingly after some pratice this type of shot is fairly easy to master.  Carry is most times very good if I leave anything it's a ringing 10.

In an ABT tourney with OB flood from gutter towards inside I used a Midnight Scorcher.  I was the only one who came up with respectable scores.

So, my point is really on any condition with the right ball I can score on this line.  It may become my only part of the lane I play except for spares.  

It makes me wonder why more don't use this old technique.  It so simple that maybe it's too simplistic for the bowlers that need to think they have to swing the ball.  I don't know.

Any others do this and what are your results?

Scott
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Leftyhi-trak

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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2005, 04:59:32 PM »
I can play and have played using this especially when I'm lost on playing tough conditions. The down side is usually carry is not always optimum. 190's and 2-0's are nice but if its taking 230+ to win i have rarely met a condition where this shot carried as effectively as others. This is not to say someone elses style and conditions they see doesn't change that just my experience.

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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2005, 10:51:13 PM »
I have to agree. I've found the best shot for the B/G centaur is the point from the corner or the angle from outside 5 if the shot is on and you have enough dry to make it move.
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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2005, 05:03:59 AM »
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My opinion is that the slate blue is going to be a little too snappy on the backend to produce on this condition. The G/B Centaur is prob the best ball that Visionary has in it's lineup for this shot.
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Normally I'd agree but recently I've been trying an earlier rolling drill variation that helps with polished balls played in a more down and in type of shot: 2"x5" or 3"x 5" drills seem to reduce the backend of these balls, providing a needed sense of control, especially from the outside.

I've encountered, over the past 2-3 years, conditions similar to what Scott is complaining about. I always thought it was just me and my type of release being susceptible to these conditions: over/under. Minor changes in release and a couple of balls with the above type of drillings have helped a lot.

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scotts33

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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2005, 08:43:25 PM »
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I can play and have played using this especially when I'm lost on playing tough conditions. The down side is usually carry is not always optimum. 190's and 2-0's are nice but if its taking 230+ to win i have rarely met a condition where this shot carried as effectively as others. This is not to say someone elses style and conditions they see doesn't change that just my experience.


Leftyhi-trak--I'd agree with you but most are not scoring above 200 most are scratching out 170 to 180 if lucky.  This line keeps me in the hunt.



 
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   quote:My opinion is that the slate blue is going to be a little too snappy on the backend to produce on this condition. The G/B Centaur is prob the best ball that Visionary has in it's lineup for this shot.
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Normally I'd agree but recently I've been trying an earlier rolling drill variation that helps with polished balls played in a more down and in type of shot: 2"x5" or 3"x 5" drills seem to reduce the backend of these balls, providing a needed sense of control, especially from the outside.  


charlest--My PAP is close to yours.  Mine 4 7/8's over and 1/2 up.  On you 2x5 and 3x5 layouts do you wind up with CG mid grip or CG left of midgrip?

Thanks,
Scott

Edited on 9/25/2005 8:37 PM
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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 05:08:37 PM »
The drilling on my Slate is in my profile.  The balls works great around the track on your normal light oil shot and works just as well off the twig.  I like it because it doesn't make an immediate left turn the second it hits dry.   I'm not sure what some of the others are throwing it on, but one of the main advantages of urethane is that it is more even (than reactives) off of the dry.  I can get mine to snap if I use a lot of axis rotation with really dry backends, but other than that, it's nothing but smooth.  I really haven't tried it angled off the corner at the 1-3, but I don't see why it wouldn't be a good choice.
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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 05:14:11 PM »
Where do you bowl in the ABT Scott?  Just curious.  

scotts33

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Re: From the Corner
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2005, 08:02:36 PM »
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Where do you bowl in the ABT Scott? Just curious.  


splendorlex--Milwaukee Dixision which can have some very flat hard conditions.  I have not bowled yet this year and not as much as I would have liked last year.
What about you?

Thanks for the comments Strider and Fencer04.

Scott

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