Post by: korkey299 on November 25, 2005, 04:31:54 AM
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Post by: michelle on November 25, 2005, 12:35:57 PM
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i was bowling in a tournament a couple weeks ago and the approaches were sticky because nobody cleaned them, well i took out my easy slide and the woman taking scores is like you can't use that, its against the rules or whatever why is that?
It alters the approach in a manner that creates a potential hazard for others...same basic rule as the do not deface the approach provisions. There are other substitutes for easy slide that could have been utilized outside of the settee area without compromising the rules...
Post by: korkey299 on November 25, 2005, 12:36:46 PM
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Post by: Scolai on November 25, 2005, 12:45:24 PM
In my last league session, the team we bowled against had a guy who was literally pouring the stuff into his thumb hole. There was powder all over the approach from where it fell out of his thumbhole as he was setting up. There was a huge patch from about 15 to 15 at 8 feet or so on the lane where it was coming out of the ball. Because the stuff was all over the place, I couldn't stand up to save my skin. Bloody shame, too, because I had a good line to the pocket in practice.
Still ended up shooting 707, though.
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Post by: Smash49 on November 25, 2005, 01:31:26 PM
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Post by: shelley on November 25, 2005, 01:48:48 PM
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They also make a big deal over here about rosin, and puff balls. Alot of people pat it on their balls around the holes for grip, and they complain about it here because they don't want that residue on the lane, and make you wipe it off..
You are supposed to wipe it off. They've made that point several times on the TV show recently (possibly on ESPN Classic).
SH
Post by: charlest on November 25, 2005, 05:28:49 PM
There is NO rule against Easy (EZ) Slide or any material like that.
The rule is against getting any material on the lane that can interfere with the slide or performance of any one else. They can B*tch all they want; it's still NOT against the rules. What is against the rules is getting it on the approach, which is Stupid to the Nth degree in any case.
All rosin or any other material (used to dry the bowler's hand or the finger & thumb holes) MUST be wiped off the ball AND not allowed to interfere with the bowler's slide or performance on the approach and not be alowed to interefere or provide extra traction of the ball on the lane.
period. end of story.
One cannot say that "he is using EZ Slide or talcum powder and must stop using it." It must be shown that he is allowing it to interfere with another bowler!
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Post by: Scolai on November 25, 2005, 05:41:10 PM
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One last time:
There is NO rule against Easy (EZ) Slide or any material like that.
The rule is against getting any material on the lane that can interfere with the slide or performance of any one else. They can B*tch all they want; it's still NOT against the rules. What is against the rules is getting it on the approach, which is Stupid to the Nth degree in any case.
All rosin or any other material (used to dry the bowler's hand or the finger & thumb holes) MUST be wiped off the ball AND not allowed to interfere with the bowler's slide or performance on the approach and not be alowed to interefere or provide extra traction of the ball on the lane.
period. end of story.
One cannot say that "he is using EZ Slide or talcum powder and must stop using it." It must be shown that he is allowing it to interfere with another bowler!
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Edited on 11/25/2005 6:20 PM
OK, Sherlock, what do you think happens when someone dabs that stuff all over their slide sole then steps on the approach? It doesn't disappear. It lingers, builds up, and eventually messes with the balance of someone like myself who went to the trouble of buying a pair of decent shoes instead of the most recent ball-of-the-week.
That is where the rule takes effect. The existence of the stuff on YOUR shoe fouls up MY slide. Therefore it IS against the rules.
End of story. Period!
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Post by: Smash49 on November 25, 2005, 07:58:24 PM
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Post by: Dannys440 on November 25, 2005, 08:21:44 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on November 25, 2005, 09:10:03 PM
Rule 12. The application of any foreign substance on any part of the approach that detracts from the
possibility of other players having normal conditions is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, such
substances as talcum powder, pumice and resin on shoes; also soft rubber soles or heels that rub off on
the approach. [CAQ #11]
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All that needs to be said. I have stopped many that use the stuff while crossing with me. Try using it at any USBC National tourney and it will be stopped immediately! No one needs to complain they see it and it's kaput. Don't even try bringing the stuff out.
If you need more slide suggest one of Bob's slide socks cheap investment and you don't need new shoes. Get one.
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Post by: Walking E on November 26, 2005, 12:00:41 AM
I have Dexter SST6's and the interchangeable soles are pretty useless for me. Apart from the sole and heel I use, ANY other heel or sole I've tried is either way too fast or I stick. So if I need a little more slide I have no viable option except to use a little EZ slide rubbed into the sole.
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Post by: Bluff on November 26, 2005, 12:12:55 AM
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Post by: charlest on November 26, 2005, 01:41:29 AM
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One last time:
There is NO rule against Easy (EZ) Slide or any material like that.
The rule is against getting any material on the lane that can interfere with the slide or performance of any one else. They can B*tch all they want; it's still NOT against the rules. What is against the rules is getting it on the approach, which is Stupid to the Nth degree in any case.
All rosin or any other material (used to dry the bowler's hand or the finger & thumb holes) MUST be wiped off the ball AND not allowed to interfere with the bowler's slide or performance on the approach and not be alowed to interefere or provide extra traction of the ball on the lane.
period. end of story.
One cannot say that "he is using EZ Slide or talcum powder and must stop using it." It must be shown that he is allowing it to interfere with another bowler!
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OK, Sherlock, what do you think happens when someone dabs that stuff all over their slide sole then steps on the approach? It doesn't disappear. It lingers, builds up, and eventually messes with the balance of someone like myself who went to the trouble of buying a pair of decent shoes instead of the most recent ball-of-the-week.
That is where the rule takes effect. The existence of the stuff on YOUR shoe fouls up MY slide. Therefore it IS against the rules.
End of story. Period!
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Dear name caller,
"The truth shall set you free."
Because you had one bad experience, the rest of the world can't use a valid, useful product properly?
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
The existence of it on my shoe has NEVER, EVER fouled up anyone's slide or anyone mind.
Considering that I use teflon coated inserts in my shoes, if I can't slide, there damn sure is something wrong with the approach!
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Post by: Silencer on November 26, 2005, 03:30:30 AM
And to I got balls...The bowlers around here that bowl with regular shoes aka tennis shoes, all have special "bowling shoes" that they only wear when they bowl so they don't leave marks on the lane. Also even outside tennis shoes I have never seen leave any mark unless they stepped in water or something obviously, it's usually only like boots and stuff like that.
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Post by: Smash49 on November 26, 2005, 05:21:57 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on November 26, 2005, 10:53:32 AM
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Post by: Smash49 on November 26, 2005, 07:34:09 PM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 26, 2005, 08:01:34 PM
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Post by: Ragnar on November 30, 2005, 03:03:51 PM
CharlesT, I also have a teflon piece on my slide sole. I also use EZSLIDE in one house because I stick, as does almost everyone else. If asked I put it away. I use it on the carpet behind the lanes and wipe my shoe on said carpet to minimize its effect (affect? lol) on others.
However the best use of EZSLIDE is to place 3 lines of it on a table behind the pit and watch what happens.
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Post by: mumzie on November 30, 2005, 04:02:46 PM
It would be considered poor form for me to drip my soda pop all over the approaches or settee area. Someone could get hurt!! Likewise - poor form to leave powder substances all over the approach or settee area - WHETHER YOU MEANT TO PUT THEM THERE OR NOT!!!
If someone on my pair of lanes is using the ez slide stuff, I first tell my team, then go tell the offending person the CORRECT way to use the stuff (away from the settee area, gently put a little on the shoe, then wipe it off in it's entirety). They usually go along with it. If not, every time they use it I take a towel and wipe up the floor where they've stood, walked, and bowled. Tends to slow things down - and they get the message pretty quickly.
Best justice I've ever seen -tried to talk to a guy on the other team in our mixed league. He got mad at me, and put it all over his shoe. Left white footprints behind. got up to bowl, slid, and went about 10 feet out on to the lane... He learned what I was trying to tell him first hand!!!
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Post by: Smash49 on November 30, 2005, 05:00:01 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on December 01, 2005, 06:18:05 AM
I'd like to know how many posters in this topic bowl ABC/USBC Natl's and if you do....do you use EZ Slide?
Please post.
Thanks,
Scott
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Post by: Smash49 on December 01, 2005, 01:24:34 PM
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Post by: Ragnar on December 01, 2005, 01:28:02 PM
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the CORRECT way to use the stuff (away from the settee area, gently put a little on the shoe, then wipe it off in it's entirety).
Odd. That's exactly how I use it. But what do I know?
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Post by: Ragnar on December 01, 2005, 01:43:16 PM
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See rule 12 of the USBC Rule book. EZ Slide is a trade name. Johnson and Johnson baby powder, Marlboro cigarette ashes, etc are not mentioned by name. The key words in the rule are Application of ANY Foreign Substance. The rule is a little vague because it does not name products by name but if you take it literally it means anything that detracts from the possibility. ANYTHING!
Smash49
Actually the key words are Application of any foreigh substance that detracts from the ability of a player...
Not quite so clear as Smash49 would have you believe.
Perhaps if I see someone with a slide sock I can complain - the sock is not part of the shoe, therefore foreign.
Look, I understand all the brouhaha about this (I've had the wonderful experience of looking up at my feet at the foul line) - I don't like it when Joe Schmoe uses about a quart of the stuff on my approach either. For one thing the rule is entirely too vague (how odd, an ABC oops, USBC rule being vague); and for another there are times when everyone is sticking and something needs to be done. I'm very careful that, when I use it, I do as Mumzie described so as to minimize the effect on anyone else. But until such time as either it is specifically mentioned as being illegal, or until a bowler gets a specific complaint, it's legal. Til then, keep your towels off the ball return because you are probably spreading foreign substances over the approach.
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Post by: Smash49 on December 01, 2005, 02:32:27 PM
You are right. If someone thinks they are being interfered with then anything is fair game. Even those $200 pairs of interchangeable sole and heel shoes. USBC rules cut and dry??? It all goes to who is interpreting the rules. How do you know if that heel didn't leave something??? I think it detracts from my game so I'll call it! Then you go on a witch hunt. We have customers that are tired of putting up with the powder mess. Once they start using the product they are almost totally immune. If you read the rules to the letter all one has to think is that it detracts and is dangerous. You tell someone to shut up and bowl and that everything is ok . Then they fall on the approach and watch what happens. It's a nasty mess the whole thing but until USBC sets approach standards and care along with what exactly can be used there is a problem. More and more people will complain and call the rule. There are 12 slide sock manufactures, 4 slide powder manfactures half dozen shoe makers with interchangeable soles and heels. If it was all about a Slide Sock Manufactures crusade against EZ Slide you would see Dexter of some other company campaigning too. Matter of fact EZ Slide on the approach has almost Zero to no effect on our performance.
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Post by: charlest on December 01, 2005, 02:39:17 PM
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EZ slide is not illegal. ...
CharlesT, I also have a teflon piece on my slide sole. I also use EZSLIDE in one house because I stick, as does almost everyone else. If asked I put it away. I use it on the carpet behind the lanes and wipe my shoe on said carpet to minimize its effect (affect? lol) on others.
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I know EZ SLide is not illegal, except where specifically mentioned as in the ABC/USBCs. Even there people use it. We had to use it Tuesday night here in NJ because it was VERY humid and the wood approaches absorbed some hunidity. It was the 2nd half of the 2nd game before I had rubbed enough EZ SLide into the sole of my shoe so that I didn't need to do it any more. 6 out of the 10 bowlers all took out their EZ SLide after the first time they tried to bowl. NOT ONE OF US GOT A DROP OF IT ON THE FLOOR OR NEAR ANY OF THE OTHER 4 WHO DI DNOT NEED IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SLIDE.
I've printed off the Bowler's Slide Sock ad and order form; I should make the effort to get one and check it out. Darn! How it could be more slippery than teflon I don't know, but you never know. COuldn't hurt, for only $10-15.
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Post by: Silencer on December 01, 2005, 05:21:28 PM
Not quite so clear as Smash49 would have you believe.
Perhaps if I see someone with a slide sock I can complain - the sock is not part of the shoe, therefore foreign.
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a sock cover for a shoe is a foreign object, not substance, just to clear that up
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Post by: scotts33 on December 01, 2005, 10:23:38 PM
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