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JJKinGA

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Golf headed the way of bowling?
« on: April 21, 2014, 10:53:33 AM »
I just read this article about concern in golf for losing players due to low scoring and active plans to increase the scoring pace...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/sports/golf/in-a-hole-golf-considers-digging-a-wider-one.html?_r=0

Obviously they never looked to see what easier scoring conditions have done to help grow bowling.

Doesn't anyone try and promote being great at soemthing difficult?  Doesn't anyone promote the experience rather than a false sense of accomplishment?

If I can't enjoy bowling or golf for what it is, will I really enjoy it more if it is easier?

 

Mighty Fish

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2014, 02:30:43 PM »
Only 10% of golfers can break 90.  Nothing to worry about.

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Luckylefty
... but in bowling (unlike golf), MANY amateur local bowlers ROUTINELY post scores that are as good (or better) than scores posted in PBA tournaments ... and needless to say, I'm more than well aware that the pros don't bowl on the THS conditions that most league bowlers compete on.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2014, 08:40:52 PM »
Only 10% of golfers can break 90.  Nothing to worry about.

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Luckylefty
... but in bowling (unlike golf), MANY amateur local bowlers ROUTINELY post scores that are as good (or better) than scores posted in PBA tournaments ... and needless to say, I'm more than well aware that the pros don't bowl on the THS conditions that most league bowlers compete on.

Fish the same can be said for golf when amateurs try to play on courses set up for PGA and the find their stroke count go up.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2014, 04:18:36 AM »
Only 10% of golfers can break 90.  Nothing to worry about.

Regards,

Luckylefty
... but in bowling (unlike golf), MANY amateur local bowlers ROUTINELY post scores that are as good (or better) than scores posted in PBA tournaments ... and needless to say, I'm more than well aware that the pros don't bowl on the THS conditions that most league bowlers compete on.


In BOWLING, you have a guy who's been bowling for 3 years who shoots 900-875 in back to back weeks.  Tell me the last time you saw a golf story about a guy shooting 55-58? 

The mechanics of the golf swing are the toughest in sports.  I don't care how much easier you make it, the game itself is hard.

Short of lining the fairways with 50 foot walls and having greens shaped like funnels, you're not going to come close to what bowling did to itself in the late 80's (short oil) and early 90's (resin).  I love bowling, but golf is so much harder this isn't even a conversation.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 04:23:15 AM by Mongo »
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2014, 08:47:11 AM »
Bowling (PBA) and golf (PGA) at the highest levels are so far ahead of any amateur whatever the levels...the problem is the casual observer watching bowling sees a very limited playing field (4' X 60') that it tends to be difficult to fathom the severities where the same individual can see the different in a 250 yd drive compared to 325 yd drive and the severity of the rough or speed of the greens
At the highest levels, the complexity of both, the golf or bowling swings are quite accomplished as well as comparable...and both are quite difficult to master...
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2014, 10:02:17 AM »
Being a pretty good high school golfer on a team with two state champions I like many mid 70s shooters at that level of play I never swung a golf club correctly.

Finally after 10 years with the help of a great lesson I made one correct golf swing!

30 more years of great golf swings followed, not everyone of course! 

As to 55 58.  I believe that is what Tiger Woods and some of these other golf phenoms on todays pro tours would do to a pro tour course from the 70s on their good weeks!

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS I just heard the bowler with the 900 875 is from Ocala, Florida!  Where Walter Ray is from, must be something in the water there!
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2014, 11:27:30 AM »
In BOWLING, you have a guy who's been bowling for 3 years who shoots 900-875 in back to back weeks.  Tell me the last time you saw a golf story about a guy shooting 55-58?
Exactly. Routinely in THS league play, local amateurs roll scores as high as the pro bowlers do in tournament play, but you don't see local amateur golfers shooting scores better than the golf professionals do in tournament competition.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2014, 11:56:44 AM »
In BOWLING, you have a guy who's been bowling for 3 years who shoots 900-875 in back to back weeks.  Tell me the last time you saw a golf story about a guy shooting 55-58?
Exactly. Routinely in THS league play, local amateurs roll scores as high as the pro bowlers do in tournament play, but you don't see local amateur golfers shooting scores better than the golf professionals do in tournament competition.

Because they are different sports.  They score differently and cannot be compared in every way.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2014, 12:07:35 PM »
If you are going to compare league to the PBA Tour, you have to compare a men's club golfer to the PGA Tour.  There is a guy in the mens club I play in with 10 of his last 20 scores in the 60's with a 63 and a 64.  That compares to a high level league bowler shooting the same scores as a PBA Tour bowler. 

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2014, 12:15:32 PM »
In BOWLING, you have a guy who's been bowling for 3 years who shoots 900-875 in back to back weeks.  Tell me the last time you saw a golf story about a guy shooting 55-58?
Exactly. Routinely in THS league play, local amateurs roll scores as high as the pro bowlers do in tournament play, but you don't see local amateur golfers shooting scores better than the golf professionals do in tournament competition.

Because they are different sports.  They score differently and cannot be compared in every way.

No, but the casual fan understands the difference between the pro who hits it 340 and the local guy who hits it 280.  With bowling, they just see strikes and don't understand that the THB is aiming at foot wide target and a pro is looking a 2-3" at 45 feet.  They just see strikes.
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2014, 01:14:53 PM »
As to creating a foot of area on a top hat?  Hmmmmm?

Not many do!  But those that do create a lot of 700s.

I am working on a clean release, a better flat spot and matching revs to speed and I am getting near 8 inches of miss area some days on a top hat.  This with my assymetrics.

I don't see many with much more!  But occasionally I do!

As to the pro bowling tours I know they are looking for miss area.  Hopefully both ways but they will take both ways.

I get a kick out of thoughts of shot control, because in golf not too many people on full shots in the air care much about intermediate aiming points, ie I still remember seeing Lee Trevino in the 70s aiming 20 yards off the fairway and then push fading almost a total of 60 yards as it curved all the way to just in the fairway right side!

So much for hitting your mark.

When watching the pros yesterday I noted that I felt they had close to 4 inches at the break point and the two guys with the most area might have had more.  PDW and Tom Baker.

There are no machines in human activities!

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Luckylefty
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2014, 05:32:02 PM »
First of all...WHAT?
Secondly, in golf aiming pertains to not only alignment on the tee box of trajectory but also where want the ball to end up, similar to bowling...if you're playing the gutter, you are aiming approx 10-15 boards away from the intended target

As far as miss area, yes ALL the top players look for miss area but you also must remember, their bad shots are better than the rests good shot...there is a reason why they are better plain & simple
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2014, 06:56:17 PM »
If you have ever bowled with a pro caliber player and pay attention you will notice a big difference. If someone does something every day for a living they stand out from those who do not.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2014, 06:58:08 PM »
I picked up a local paper the other day and saw scores from a local high school golf tournament.  5 guys shot in the 60's. 

I have been bowling for 50 years.  Even in the early 70's there were lots of guys averaging over 200 in leagues.  Every 170 average league bowler thought we all should be on tour.  Nothing changes. 

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2014, 01:37:57 PM »
No, but the casual fan understands the difference between the pro who hits it 340 and the local guy who hits it 280.  With bowling, they just see strikes and don't understand that the THB is aiming at foot wide target and a pro is looking a 2-3" at 45 feet.  They just see strikes.
Dear Mongo:

Again, you make a valid observation.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2014, 11:10:20 PM »
Mighty,

Most pros get shorter when they go on tour!  There are many amateurs bombing it on their local courses today!

I'll never forget the first and only time I saw Tiger Woods play in person.  He  was averaging about 325 on a tight course and playing army golf.  This about 6 months before his first Masters victory. 

On the other hand I was amazed by his short game as I could not believe his sand game, his flop, his chipping and his putting.

Statistics go on to back it up in that for much of his dominant period he was lucky to ever average 13 greens in regulation and this even in the year when breaking Byron Nelsons scoring record in 2000 with an average of 68.13. 

This meant that Tiger averaged almost 9 under par on the short game per day!  This in recovering on the 5 missed greens per day and birdieing 4 other holes per day.

The 2nd time I realized that pro golf would not be for me or anyone I knew is the day I saw at that time future US open champion David Graham shoot a 73 On a PGA tour course while hitting maybe 3 to 5 greens.  Some of his shots barely got in the air!

A State Amateur champ friend of mine when asked what he would have shot if hitting the ball that bad stated, "I've never hit the ball that bad!"  I re asked, "but if you did....?"."His answer, ,,,, "That bad???? Ummmm, 93!"

Short game!

REgards,

Luckylefty

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