I don't own it, but being a light oil ball I'm going to lean more towards a yes it will wiggle in puddles.

I still keep an Octane Burn in my bag. For me, the Burn is much more even of a shape than I was expecting. Not super smooth, just very much a benchmark look. I drilled it 4x40 with a tiny hole down VAL (small enough that it really didn't make much of a difference in reaction).

Background - My home house puts out a variant of stone street, with the variation being more oil in the middles that turn the pattern into a pretty heavy overblock. I have fairly high ball speed and revs, leaning a little speed dominant.

At my home house, I typically don't like my Burn on the burn. Our outsides fry quickly, and it can skate on the oil in the middle if I have to bump left too far too quickly.

The ball stays in my bag because I really like it on the fresh. I can play a pretty straight angle even with my rev rate without it overreacting on me (had a 299 just last Tuesday doing that). That league is more of a fun league, and I have one of the higher rev rates in the league. In that league, I can stay left of everyone with the burn but still be fairly straight, allowing me to keep the burn in play all night.

My second shift trio league shows the negatives more. My teammates are a rev monster and a two hander, and the outsides are already burned from the earlier men's league. I get forced left quickly, and the Burn will struggle to stand up and make the turn, especially on small misses in (skates it's way into a bucket).

For what it's worth, I've used it as a transition ball in tournaments at other houses with better blended shots, sport shots at my home house, and at nationals last year. It was a great ball in all of those scenarios (including really bailing my out late in the nationals team event last year). It doesn't stay in my bag by lack of choice, I really do love the notion when I can use it. Unfortunately, those times tend to be outside my home house.

Hope this helps.

PS. Had a panic. Other than a 299 with it on the fresh, I hated it. Definitely more skid in the oil than I get from my Burn.

I still keep an Octane Burn in my bag. For me, the Burn is much more even of a shape than I was expecting. Not super smooth, just very much a benchmark look. I drilled it 4x40 with a tiny hole down VAL (small enough that it really didn't make much of a difference in reaction).

Background - My home house puts out a variant of stone street, with the variation being more oil in the middles that turn the pattern into a pretty heavy overblock. I have fairly high ball speed and revs, leaning a little speed dominant.

At my home house, I typically don't like my Burn on the burn. Our outsides fry quickly, and it can skate on the oil in the middle if I have to bump left too far too quickly.

The ball stays in my bag because I really like it on the fresh. I can play a pretty straight angle even with my rev rate without it overreacting on me (had a 299 just last Tuesday doing that). That league is more of a fun league, and I have one of the higher rev rates in the league. In that league, I can stay left of everyone with the burn but still be fairly straight, allowing me to keep the burn in play all night.

My second shift trio league shows the negatives more. My teammates are a rev monster and a two hander, and the outsides are already burned from the earlier men's league. I get forced left quickly, and the Burn will struggle to stand up and make the turn, especially on small misses in (skates it's way into a bucket).

For what it's worth, I've used it as a transition ball in tournaments at other houses with better blended shots, sport shots at my home house, and at nationals last year. It was a great ball in all of those scenarios (including really bailing my out late in the nationals team event last year). It doesn't stay in my bag by lack of choice, I really do love the notion when I can use it. Unfortunately, those times tend to be outside my home house.

Hope this helps.

PS. Had a panic. Other than a 299 with it on the fresh, I hated it. Definitely more skid in the oil than I get from my Burn.

Thanks much HankScorpio you have many good comments.  Thanks for taking the time to reply to my thread.

Not sure of the reason for the questioning on the Burn.  I was never a fan of it from my limited viewing of it.  Because of that, I never got one.

If someone is looking for something like the Burn, I think a Venom Cobra drilled appropriately could be what someone looking at the Burn could do differently.  I would venture it would be more predictable.  For moving in and playing in the puddle, I prefer stronger equipment when my Shock is hooking at my feet.

If someone is looking at cheap pricing, then I would be tempted to drill the Burn very strong (maybe even P3/P4 strong) to help it in any way. 

Hank's description is what I have seen also.  Good description Hank.

I thought about the Cobra being a hybrid would better than the Panic.  I guess the Panic turned me off.  Though the Shock is the best Motiv ball for me by far.  I have had good luck with the Quadfire weight block in QZ-1 Red.....that's why I asked about the Burn.  Primal Fear seems quite few notches stronger than the Shock though I have no issues moving inside deeper in fact that's my progression.

For me on a house shot with medium oil it's the Forza GT and the Octane Burn for a nice 1/2 punch.  On light oil it's the Venom Shock and the Venom Cobra for a great 1/2 combo.
My Octane Burn allows me to stay right when my GT starts hooking left (usually the third game).  My Burn is drilled pin down with a hole on P4.  It is smooth through the front, but the P4 hole gives it a kick on the backend that one would not expect on pin down without a hole.
Do I match up to the Octane Burn.....yes I do.  I love this ball so much I bought two more for the future. I think Motiv has done a great job in having many combinations of a 1/2 punch available in their line up.

I still keep an Octane Burn in my bag. For me, the Burn is much more even of a shape than I was expecting. Not super smooth, just very much a benchmark look. I drilled it 4x40 with a tiny hole down VAL (small enough that it really didn't make much of a difference in reaction).

Background - My home house puts out a variant of stone street, with the variation being more oil in the middles that turn the pattern into a pretty heavy overblock. I have fairly high ball speed and revs, leaning a little speed dominant.

At my home house, I typically don't like my Burn on the burn. Our outsides fry quickly, and it can skate on the oil in the middle if I have to bump left too far too quickly.

The ball stays in my bag because I really like it on the fresh. I can play a pretty straight angle even with my rev rate without it overreacting on me (had a 299 just last Tuesday doing that). That league is more of a fun league, and I have one of the higher rev rates in the league. In that league, I can stay left of everyone with the burn but still be fairly straight, allowing me to keep the burn in play all night.

My second shift trio league shows the negatives more. My teammates are a rev monster and a two hander, and the outsides are already burned from the earlier men's league. I get forced left quickly, and the Burn will struggle to stand up and make the turn, especially on small misses in (skates it's way into a bucket).

For what it's worth, I've used it as a transition ball in tournaments at other houses with better blended shots, sport shots at my home house, and at nationals last year. It was a great ball in all of those scenarios (including really bailing my out late in the nationals team event last year). It doesn't stay in my bag by lack of choice, I really do love the notion when I can use it. Unfortunately, those times tend to be outside my home house.

Hope this helps.

PS. Had a panic. Other than a 299 with it on the fresh, I hated it. Definitely more skid in the oil than I get from my Burn.

This is a really interesting post to me, because it's almost entirely opposite of my experience with the Burn. For me, it does absolutely nothing on any oil, bus as soon as there's any burn at all, it becomes super flippy and hard to control. I kept it in my bag for 6 months, and I never was able to find a shot where it was useful. I ended up giving it away.

Bear in mind that I'm a huge Motiv fanboy, and after returning to bowling last year ending a 15+ year layoff I haven't owned one non-Motiv ball...so I _wanted_ to like it

On this subject, I would love to see a new Tank with a more aggressive core...something that could be drilled for length and back-end (obviously it would be relative...not expecting huge hook). For me, all of Motiv's light oil stuff is still too strong. I just punched a Tag, and while it gets cleanly through the heads, it still moves very aggressively on an even slightly dry back-end.

I had the Octane Burn and it didn't perform for me. Still throwing the Thrash Frenzy which continues to perform without fail.