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bowler231

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900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« on: December 12, 2014, 06:07:41 PM »
I've owned the Ultimate Inferno years ago and both these ball use the same or very similar core even the core numbers are similar if not identical. Tell me, besides the covers how do these balls differ at all? Or is this just another recycled core rebadged under a different vendor?

 

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 07:38:37 PM »
The core numbers are similar but not the exact same core as Global has nothing to do with Brunswick.

The way I think of it is the Moxie is similar to what Brunswick intended the ultimate inferno to be

bowler231

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 08:36:48 PM »
The core numbers are similar but not the exact same core as Global has nothing to do with Brunswick.

The way I think of it is the Moxie is similar to what Brunswick intended the ultimate inferno to be

Global has nothing to do with Brunswick but as I have heard before from various company reps, most cores are not patented thus they are fare game for anyone to use. This at least on appearance looks to be one of those instances.

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2014, 07:26:53 PM »
What the heck was that!
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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2014, 08:11:04 PM »
Don't know but can we get back on topic? Looked like some Russian hack job!!!

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 02:02:04 AM »
Spam Bots invaded the forum. No one is safe LMAO!
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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 10:28:52 AM »
The core numbers are similar but not the exact same core as Global has nothing to do with Brunswick.

The way I think of it is the Moxie is similar to what Brunswick intended the ultimate inferno to be

Global has nothing to do with Brunswick but as I have heard before from various company reps, most cores are not patented thus they are fare game for anyone to use. This at least on appearance looks to be one of those instances.

You keep using the word "use" as if old Brunswick cores are just being plopped into 900 Global balls!

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 09:32:40 PM »
The core numbers are similar but not the exact same core as Global has nothing to do with Brunswick.

The way I think of it is the Moxie is similar to what Brunswick intended the ultimate inferno to be

Global has nothing to do with Brunswick but as I have heard before from various company reps, most cores are not patented thus they are fare game for anyone to use. This at least on appearance looks to be one of those instances.

You keep using the word "use" as if old Brunswick cores are just being plopped into 900 Global balls!

Well you're the man with the knowledge how about some clarification or at least answer my original question.

SVstar34

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2014, 09:57:27 PM »
The Moxie does not have the same core as the Ultimate Inferno

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« Last Edit: December 15, 2014, 10:09:57 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 11:03:34 PM »
The cores do seem similar but the numbers are different. Plus you can only make so many different shapes before they all start to look similar. The cover stock is gonna be the game changer for this ball though as the Ultimate Inferno wasn't meant to provide the type of length the Respect will.
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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2014, 07:06:25 AM »
Density and filler is going to be used to change the numbers as needed. Its not like its a common shape such as the light bulb core its pretty distinct. Very interesting. Not all balls using that core had the same Rg Diff it was modified as needed.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2014, 08:54:36 AM »
The core numbers are similar but not the exact same core as Global has nothing to do with Brunswick.

The way I think of it is the Moxie is similar to what Brunswick intended the ultimate inferno to be

Global has nothing to do with Brunswick but as I have heard before from various company reps, most cores are not patented thus they are fare game for anyone to use. This at least on appearance looks to be one of those instances.

You keep using the word "use" as if old Brunswick cores are just being plopped into 900 Global balls!

Well you're the man with the knowledge how about some clarification or at least answer my original question.

There are a number of things you have to consider when taking into consideration core designs with similar physical appearances and shapes.  Firstly, the way we mill, mount, mold and fill the core is going to differ from other Manufacturers.  Additionally, the positioning of the core within the ball (such as the relative degree of off set on the 4 nodes/protrusions on the design) is going to differ as well.  All in all, you can't simply look at core shape and RG/Diff numbers from separate Manufacturers and assume that they will flare, etc with the same characteristics and attributes.

To keep things simple and answer your question, yes the shape is similar to an Inferno core, but you CAN NOT look at it as an Inferno core with a 900 Global shell.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 08:56:32 AM by ThomasR »

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2014, 10:08:56 AM »
Well, I for one hated the Inferno line. The cover on the Ultimate just didn't match up for me. I do match up very well to Global's covers, and both the Moxie and the Respect look very responsive to friction, unlike the Infernos did for me. I was a bit leery of putting the Moxie in the bag, but with the addition of the Respect, I have a feeling tax time is going to be very fun for me... :)

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Re: 900 Global Respect / Moxie vs Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2014, 10:19:24 AM »
I note the similar appearance of core by eye.

I also note the videos I have seen of the Moxie and Respect....WOW!

I remember the Ultimate Inferno and the Inferno.  They did not impress me but they were smooth!  I know many other bowlers who used them to smooth Wet Dry back in that Inferno type of day.

We have a good bowler getting 10 pinned to death in a league I am in by using his old Inferno every week.  (I thought he was trying to keep his average down.

Inferno, nice balls for then...I guess.

Moxie and Respect....big looking balls for today!

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