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LaneHammer20

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Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« on: September 16, 2009, 02:14:40 PM »
Well I have had the bounty hunter since July, first day I used it practicing on fresh shark, I had an awesome recovering reaction and great carry, big hooking ball that I was hoping for.

Although I know this is meant for heavy oil, I am still trying to put my efforts in the 50,000. I know it is not meant for medium conditions. I put a conservative 5 x 4.5 drill on it with the pin a good ways up as seen in pics.

Bowling on the house shots I come across which is nothin less than true mediums the ball in OOB burned up from what I could tell, looked like it is going to hook but be real mellow in the back leaving washouts. So took it home went to 2000 abralon then appied nice coat of Snake Oil, tried it again at same places, same result, iffy carry, can't really swing it much. So after fighting it for a couple weeks, nowe am at 3000 Valentino pad, then HEAVY coat of Beans sauce, and it is mirro like now. I thought to myself, this should be the ticket. Threw it tonight on the shot that would most likely allow the beast to strut its stuff (40ft nice dose of oil, prolly med-heavy) clean backends), since my S-75 and Requiem in OOB finshes could be thrown and had a heck of a time keeping them right side of headpin, with great carry when in pocket.

It is still doing the same thing, even with the heavy polish and high surface, just roills and rolls, and nothing on the back, washouts if not careful, I had to play like 18- 10 for good reaction. I have decent hand and enough speed that I should see something out of it. All I hear from other people is how much backend it has and such, I know not all of them are on heavy heavy oil

Right now I don't know what to do, I am thinking it might need a balance hole since I haven't weighed it out yet, or maybe a redrill with something like 6 x 5. I have yet to come acroos this with a ball yet. Is the thing really that strong, either that or my style is a horribly not matching up to it.

Any ideas?

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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 10:23:34 PM »
I personally am a strong believer in not using a ball outside of its intended conditions especially in league. If a ball is meant for heavy save it for that situation. The ball seems to be too strong for the condition, i'd just use something weaker and save the ball for what its intended for.

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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 10:52:03 PM »
was having the exact same problem with my bhunter. Had it redrilled and even altered the surface. cannot play inside 12 with it during first game and a half. i don't know what else to do with the thing. I throw it 18-7 and it goes straight into the six pin. First drilling was 4x4, second drilling was done by a different pro shop. He made it 30x4x30. Trying it tommorrow with second drilling and cover back at 4000. Will update results.

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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 11:24:38 PM »
See this ball?

  I had the same problem with it.  No matter what surface it had.  So, I plugged it fully two other times and tried different drill patterns on it, all with multiple surfaces, and still NOTHING.  My friends could throw it and make it work, but for me it just kind of rolled with little OR NO backend movement, and hit like garbage. No, wait, garbage would've hit better for me.

  I know the Lev-RG is/was a good ball, BUT NOT FOR ME. For me, it was an absolutely terrible matchup problem that seemed to have no solution.  Perhaps you have had/are having the same experience with your bounty hunter.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 11:38:37 PM »
With the new surface, the carry is noticably better, its just I can't get it to move like I think it should.

I know it is meant for heavy oil, and in the winter months it will get oiler, especially in the 2 leagues at the same house I am in, it always gets pretty slick in the winter months. Those were when my Break S-75 was a money ball with its 4 1/2 x 4 pin under drilling. Hopin when that time comes if nothing works till then it will be as good there.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2009, 11:42:11 PM »
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I personally am a strong believer in not using a ball outside of its intended conditions especially in league. If a ball is meant for heavy save it for that situation. The ball seems to be too strong for the condition, i'd just use something weaker and save the ball for what its intended for.

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^^What he said.^^

I'm using a Break S75 as my go-to league ball right now, but the only way I was able to make it work on our league conditions was to put a very odd drill pattern on it and then add polish. And most nights I still have to take my hand out of the ball in order to get it to work.

If you're going to take an oil monster and make it work on THS, be prepared to either play deep, so you can get it into whatever oil is there, or put a funky drill on it. The pic of your ball reveals a pretty strong drilling. If I was trying to throw my S75 with that drill pattern on it, I shudder to think what might happen. The ball might stop halfway down the lane, hook, then come back and smash me in the face.

Pic of the drill pattern on my S75 (that's a pinky finger hole, not a weight hole -- and pay close attention to where the MB is): http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ConStar8788/Bowling%20balls/dscn0769.jpg

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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 11:46:03 PM »
I am also a firm believer in using a ball for its intended prupose, this ia a exception, I wanted to try and get a piece of the money, and with past aggreive balls I could use them on the house that I mentiond about being able to use the S-75 and Requiem, they would do fine there especially with a polish on them, this is obviously on a whole different level than those to balls, and I thought there couldn't be a stronger ball than the requiem.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2009, 12:04:28 AM »
Why is it an exception?  The 50,000..what is a piece of that worth?  You're tag line says what is sandbagging but IMO that's exactly what you are doing.  Use the right equipment to score the best you can otherwise you are giving less than a 100% effort.  

That's my take but most won't agree as bowling is now an INDIVIDUAL sport rather than a team.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2009, 12:12:05 AM »
I'm sorry guys i don't understand if a ball is intended for heavy oil why drill it weak and expect to use it less that what is intended to be. i mean been reading stuff in here sometimes i don't understand.

i have the original cell had it drilled for heavy oil i just used once in league nite it rolled early alright but at the same time it rolls out. yeah i'm able to shoot in the 620s. i used it a few times during my pba league it worked cause there's some oil. other than that ball i have the rogue drilled with smooth arch then cell pearl for length some backend and pluto for dry label drill polished.

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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2009, 01:57:42 AM »
My friend also has a Bounty Hunter, when he applied a light polish (Ebnoite Power House Factory Finish), it also made the ball a lot weaker in reaction and did make it very rolly as well

I agree with the thought to use a ball for what its designed for as well, maybe it just doesn't like any type of polish lol.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 05:49:19 AM »
Polish a particle ball all you want and it's still going to roll a lot like a particle ball.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 07:25:01 AM »
Lanehammer,

Another thought is that some balls just don't take well to polishes.

If there's any chance you can get a piece of Trizact white (cerium oxide) pad, you can take it up a notch in grit level.

You might want to re-sand it back to 4000 Abralon and try a light coat of UFO rather than Snake Oil.

And, yes, that is still a relatively strong drilling for your release specs. Is your PAP still as specified in your profile?
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 08:03:50 AM »
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Lane, I know a gentleman, good bowler, who already has had some good scores, and a sanctioned 300 with this ball. His is OOB but lot of games, no resurface. He is a spinner ball type, good speed, low track, not much hook.. Maybe moral of this story is, his ball is not burning up.

But, at 3000 with "mirror" finish I would maybe consider other things. Check the ball. Even the best companies make a X ball now and then.

From what I can find out, this ball is made to roll, unless you're Godzilla, with warp speed and a lot of rotation. Why not use it like it wants to do. Line up right with it, let 'er roll. Best money shot there is anyhow.
 


Yes will ddefinitly be getting it checked.

 
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Why is it an exception? The 50,000..what is a piece of that worth? You're tag line says what is sandbagging but IMO that's exactly what you are doing. Use the right equipment to score the best you can otherwise you are giving less than a 100% effort.

That's my take but most won't agree as bowling is now an INDIVIDUAL sport rather than a team


I have yet to use this ball in a actual league gaem, I will try it in practice or if bowling a practice game before the league starts, which is on fresh oil. If I don't see a desirable reaction I go to what I know I newed to use. EX. saw it didn't work last night, so pulled out my Black Pearl reactive.

 
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I'm sorry guys i don't understand if a ball is intended for heavy oil why drill it weak and expect to use it less that what is intended to be. i mean been reading stuff in here sometimes i don't understand.  


For one it is not a weak drill in reality, this is my favorite drill for asym's. I have a bit of hand, 4x4 is not an option for me. I knew this post would start an uproar on me using it on anything less than a flood. Iwill say it again, I know all about using a ball for its intended purposes, I already have a requiem and a S-75, I keep those sanded for oil that occurs, and polished up the BH to make it more useful.

 
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Lanehammer,

Another thought is that some balls just don't take well to polishes.

If there's any chance you can get a piece of Trizact white (cerium oxide) pad, you can take it up a notch in grit level.

You might want to re-sand it back to 4000 Abralon and try a light coat of UFO rather than Snake Oil.

And, yes, that is still a relatively strong drilling for your release specs. Is your PAP still as specified in your profile?


My specs are still the same as far as I know, had my PAP rechecked near the end of last year. Could try taking it to 4000, don't have any UFO yet. Could also be the polish nand it not taking well to it, that is never ruled out, have had some balls in the past hate polish.
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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2009, 10:06:29 AM »
I agree with the above posters, stop putting polish on the ball after making a surface change.

When you polish the surface after changing it, depending on how much pressure you use, you are either testing two variables at once or if you use a lot of pressure you are just throwing the same polished ball as before. In addition, many polishes will work into the "pores" on the ball defeating the oil absorption built into the ball. You want smooth, but you still want backend

Using 500, 1000, 2000, and 4000 Abralon under a light polish will yield different reactions by the ball. Polishing the surface all off each time - SOS.

Chase the oil inside, if the oil isn't there, put it away.


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Re: Bounty Hunter has me scratching my head!!
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2009, 04:09:33 PM »
I would like to ask if you use a driver on a 150 yard par 3?  By your question about the BH I would say yes you do.  Not trying to be a smrtass but the ball is not matching up to your league shot.  With any of the Break balls I have all my league balls are at least 5.5 pin from axis, I even have a 6.5.
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