Author Topic: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb?? (Read 3536 times)

LaneHammer20 · « **on:** October 16, 2009, 06:10:45 AM »

I have been having way to many problems with this ball being anything but an oil ball. Could be the less than strong 5 x 4.5 layout I have on it. I have heard about the double thumb layout for a while and have never tried it.

Looking on the Morich site. My layout looks as though it could be used for this drilling. I was either going to do this if it will work with the given layout, or put a weight hole 2 inches down my midline on my VAL.

I don''t know what specs you should try to have for the layout but the ball had a 2 1/4 top weight and 3 inch pin.

heres a pic
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DanH78 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 16, 2009, 02:27:15 PM »

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I have been having way to many problems with this ball being anything but an oil ball. Could be the less than strong 5 x 4.5 layout I have on it. I have heard about the double thumb layout for a while and have never tried it.

I don't understand, the Bounty Hunter is supposed to be a heavy oil ball. And the Double Thumb layout would make it stronger. So if you want the BH to be something other than your oil ball, wouldn't the Double Thumb be a bad idea?
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thirtyclean · « **Reply #2 on:** October 16, 2009, 02:54:30 PM »

I just plugged a Bounty Hunter that was a double thumb layout. I bowl with DanH78 many times, and he is dead on. As much as I changed surface, and polished, this ball would not retain energy, for it is super strong, both core and cover. I went pin high after the plugging 5 X 5, and now it is retaining energy much better. It is the strongest piece I have ever thrown. I did get this ball from Steve Brinkley (Tekneek), he warned me of its strength. Be aware how strong it is ...
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 16, 2009, 03:40:50 PM »

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I don't understand, the Bounty Hunter is supposed to be a heavy oil ball. And the Double Thumb layout would make it stronger. So if you want the BH to be something other than your oil ball, wouldn't the Double Thumb be a bad idea?

My bad, I mis worded that. I does not work on oil as I intended it to do. It moves about as much as my clutch maybe a little less. This isn't the first time I have posted about its lack of performance many others are claiming from this ball. Could be bad style matchup, I don't know.

I feel by the way it looks, it is either to weak of a drill, but with my revs that isn't that weak of a drill. I have been bowling on sufficient oil easily the last couple times at one house i bowl at. Last night used it on this shot with the ball at 800 valentino pad, which is like 400 grit sandpaper, and still wouldn't wrinkle.

I am looking at turning this into a double thumb to make it stronger, since it seems not very strong on anything I bowl on. If this or the other balance hole I am looking at doing doesn't work i am ruling this ball out as a lemon from the factory. I never have had a ball confuse me this much. I have tried everything but a weight hole so far.
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2009, 04:35:29 PM »

My layout is very similar to that 5.5 x 3.5 with a 1 1/2" pin buffer and mine rolls very strong. Not sure but I would say you are burning too much energy.

Strider · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2009, 05:35:51 PM »

How far apart are the flare rings currently? If they are very close to each other, especially near the bow ties, the double thumb hole can make a big difference. I added a P4 hole to my Black Widow and it made a big difference. I just added a relatively small P3 hole to my Creature to get better separation of the flare rings. I only threw a few shots on a house shot, but could see the difference immediately. Before it labored down lane. Now it read the mid lane sooner and harder and was more continuous on the back end.
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #6 on:** October 16, 2009, 11:26:24 PM »

Ok so I'll give a little update and give you something to think about as far as your problems with your BH. So I just got it today, but I got a chance to throw it at 2 different houses and got 2 drastically different results.

The 2 houses are fairly close in length of the oil both around 42'. The first house I took it of the box and threw it on a fresh pair. The ball rolled great threw the first 14 for strikes right out of the box. Stood on 40 threw it 18 at the arrows and hit around 7 at the breakpoint and had a great look. Then I was able to move right stay more up the back playing 12 at the arrows to about the same breakpoint and still had a great look. The ball was still very early rolling even with the 5.5" pin to axis but retained energy and made a strong arcing move to the pocket with great carry. Threw the Break solid and left a 2,8,10

Then I bowl league in the other house tonight on fresh oil. I get there and throw it in practice and I get exactly what you keep saying about your BH. I throw the first ball in practice playing where I started at the other house and watch it just go 60'. I move 7 right with my feet and find I can easily get to the pocket just without any carry. Tried throwing it the whole first game and just got tapped the whole game finally switched to my Break solid and moved my feet 3 left and had a great look to the pocket. To say the least I won't be throwing the BH there anymore....

The thing about this house I always have felt like everything I threw that was a solid had much less backend than the other house. Which I figured was due to less head oil. Now that I have seen the BH on both I think it is obvious that this is the issue.

I would say you are just not seeing enough head oil and the ball is burning all of it's energy. I think you should just wait to see heavier head oil, if you don't see it might be better to just cut your losses and sell it.

I will be bowling at another house tomorrow to get another look at it and will post again to let you know how it rolls there.

RevLefty · « **Reply #7 on:** October 17, 2009, 09:52:28 AM »

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I don't understand, the Bounty Hunter is supposed to be a heavy oil ball. And the Double Thumb layout would make it stronger. So if you want the BH to be something other than your oil ball, wouldn't the Double Thumb be a bad idea?

My bad, I mis worded that. I does not work on oil as I intended it to do. It moves about as much as my clutch maybe a little less. This isn't the first time I have posted about its lack of performance many others are claiming from this ball. Could be bad style matchup, I don't know.

I feel by the way it looks, it is either to weak of a drill, but with my revs that isn't that weak of a drill. I have been bowling on sufficient oil easily the last couple times at one house i bowl at. Last night used it on this shot with the ball at 800 valentino pad, which is like 400 grit sandpaper, and still wouldn't wrinkle.

I am looking at turning this into a double thumb to make it stronger, since it seems not very strong on anything I bowl on. If this or the other balance hole I am looking at doing doesn't work i am ruling this ball out as a lemon from the factory. I never have had a ball confuse me this much. I have tried everything but a weight hole so far.
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Lanehammer if you are bowling on anything less than a flood the ball will burn up way to much energy and will give you the read that it cant do anything. This is why it is close to your clutch as in box condition the clutch is a strong ball in its own right. If you are trying to uses the BH on a THS especially at 400 grit it is going to puke in your back swing. This ball is not meant for a THS. IF you are changing surface to stronger grit and it is doing nothing then how do you think the double thumb is going to help you. The double thumbs that i have drilled have very little energy retention you must match up the surface of the ball to do this. If you are bowling on a ths i suggest you take the bh to 2000 abralon and then throw a polish on it and see what it does I suspect it will roll much better.
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #8 on:** October 17, 2009, 01:20:02 PM »

I also hope you are not expecting a lot of backend out of the BH anyway!?!? The ball is not a backend monster it is very strong in the midlanes and just has a nice smooth arc from there to the pocket. This will also give the illusion of a ball that is weaker appearing to be stronger. While that weaker ball on heavy oil would just skate and the BH will shine.

Remember also that just because a pattern is longer doesn't mean that it is heavy oil. For instance in many cases even the Shark can be played with more success with a medium oil ball because it isn't always heavy oil even though it is the longest of the PBA patterns. The key to heavy oil is the volume of oil in the heads and mids not how much backend there is. Different houses can have the same length pattern and different volumes and the house with less volume can actually give you the look that it hooks less because the ball will not backend as hard.

The Bowlers Edge 2 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 17, 2009, 02:04:48 PM »

with the ball you have in the pic, a low hole to make it dual thumb might put the ball over on finger weight based on the cg placement. just a warning.
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 17, 2009, 02:05:43 PM »

I thank you guys for your responses.

The house I am talking about is definitly putting out a lot of oil, and the pattern length is 45 from what I am told. I tried my Rattler and Solaris first, they both go all the way to the pin deck. Clutch comes out does basically the same thing, a little more move than the other two. Pull out BH and get the same thing as the Clutch. Possibility of being to much oil for any ball, that is always a possibility the other night. I didn't get a good read with the ball till the end of the last game and I could play right up the 10 board with a little aiming to the pocket. The beginning of the night until then it was aim strait at the pocket and stay up the back of the ball.

The funny thing about my BH is, the best look, movement, and carry I have got was when I used it after a league got done at a different house. So a pattern that has had 3 gamesd on it and it has broke down some.

All the fresh patterns I have bowled on with it, it just looks weak. I know I have came across nights where this would have been the ball I needed to use it if it woulod react like I think it should.

I have tried almost every surface I can thinkof so far and still nothing.

It flares aqbout 4 inches but they are rather tight seperation. I think spacing them out some could help.

I do want to point out that in practice Thursday night the ball was at 2000 abralon for a couple shots and it skidded all the way to the deck. I had a valentino 800 pad in my bag, so before league started I hit the ball withit to see if it helped. I t did help witht some traction because then it moved as much as the Clutch. Thing is neither ball was enough ball for the condition present. Clutch has a weaker layout on it as well.

I really don't want to plug and redrill, bu if the balance ole doesn't help I am going to probably try a stronger layout, or maybe just sell it.

I know the ball is going to be smoother, an not a hockey stick reaction.
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #11 on:** October 17, 2009, 02:16:25 PM »

I would say try the weight hole then, as Bowlers Edge says you might have a finger weight issue which would mean you would probably have to drill the fingers deeper. If that doesn't help I would say cut your losses.

But if none of the balls mentioned are hooking on a pattern for you I would say there isn't gonna be a ball that will. You'll probably just have to point it at the pocket. Any ball is gonna need some friction to hook, a heavier oil ball will just be able to be more consistent off the end of the pattern.

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I thank you guys for your responses.

The house I am talking about is definitly putting out a lot of oil, and the pattern length is 45 from what I am told. I tried my Rattler and Solaris first, they both go all the way to the pin deck. Clutch comes out does basically the same thing, a little more move than the other two. Pull out BH and get the same thing as the Clutch. Possibility of being to much oil for any ball, that is always a possibility the other night. I didn't get a good read with the ball till the end of the last game and I could play right up the 10 board with a little aiming to the pocket. The beginning of the night until then it was aim strait at the pocket and stay up the back of the ball.

The funny thing about my BH is, the best look, movement, and carry I have got was when I used it after a league got done at a different house. So a pattern that has had 3 gamesd on it and it has broke down some.

All the fresh patterns I have bowled on with it, it just looks weak. I know I have came across nights where this would have been the ball I needed to use it if it woulod react like I think it should.

I have tried almost every surface I can thinkof so far and still nothing.

It flares aqbout 4 inches but they are rather tight seperation. I think spacing them out some could help.

I do want to point out that in practice Thursday night the ball was at 2000 abralon for a couple shots and it skidded all the way to the deck. I had a valentino 800 pad in my bag, so before league started I hit the ball withit to see if it helped. I t did help witht some traction because then it moved as much as the Clutch. Thing is neither ball was enough ball for the condition present. Clutch has a weaker layout on it as well.

I really don't want to plug and redrill, bu if the balance ole doesn't help I am going to probably try a stronger layout, or maybe just sell it.

I know the ball is going to be smoother, an not a hockey stick reaction.
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RevLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2009, 12:34:25 PM »

i agree with tdub by the look of your picture unless your driller already driller your fingers deeper i bet you have alot of finger weight and that will hurt the reaction of the ball. I would check that first. At your current layout just popping a double thumb weight hole there isn't going to make much difference if you look at the double thumb layouts on morich site the cg zones are down by the thumb to create an overload of thumb weight and that is why a double thumb is needed to get the thumb weight out also to change the characteristics of the core those are all 4-5 inch pins you would have to redrill your ball and move the pin below the fingers to push the cg near thumb to get the movement you desire.
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2009, 08:14:35 PM »

Update on the next house from last night....The BH rolled very well and strong with good carry at this house as well. The only bad thing I can say about it is that it didn't give me much tug room which was why after the 1st game I put it away cause for some reason I had a case of the tugs. But it isn't designed to go too long so I am not surprised it didn't give any tug room. Overall the BH rolls very well just HAS to have a good amount of oil up front.

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2009, 07:41:13 AM »

I am leaning away from the double thumb and just going with the regular weight hole. I have had the finger and side weight checked. They were 5/8 finger, and 15/16 side. Last week I had him drill into the ring finger, that brought it down to 1/4 finger, and 5/8 side. This week I am going to have him take to negative in the finger and throw a wiehg thole in the side.

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