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Equipment Boards => Bags, Shoes, Accessories => Topic started by: lsf_21 on August 02, 2015, 10:15:56 AM
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Anybody found a place with a better price than another for pre-order? Seems 189.99 is the norm.
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I don't think you'll find anything cheaper. I'd bet that's the normal online retail price
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That's what I figured. Didn't know if there may be a cupon for a site to get it slightly cheaper.
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My Dexter SST8's were $149.95, two years later there $169.95. The new SST9's are $189.95
Pete Weber one of the best on the planet wears Storm Bolt's at $69.95 (on sale at $44.95). It will make me think twice, before I will drop the kind of money they want for the SST9's.
I also have a pair of Brunswick TPU's that I got on sale for $139.00.Hope they last forever, there so comfortable.
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This is the biggest issue in bowling s the complete devaluation of bowling products...and the bowling community that believes anything & everything is over-priced and they deserve a special price...products go up or companies go out of business....
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Try being a proshop and getting the shoes cheaper online with free shipping then you can from a distributor......whats the point?
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If you're buying the 9's from your distributor for more than $189.95 you may want to find another distributor
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In reference to every shoe prior to the 9s by almost every manufacture.
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Anybody found a place with a better price than another for pre-order? Seems 189.99 is the norm.
$189.99 is the lowest they can be sold for.
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Anybody found a place with a better price than another for pre-order? Seems 189.99 is the norm.
$189.99 is the lowest they can be sold for.
I thought price fixing was illegal?
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MSRP or MAP pricing is not
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
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That's an interesting concept
It'll never work
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FYI, there is a whole list of products that have the MAP pricing from all the manufacturers. This is in response to the brick and mortar pro shops complaining that they could not compete with the online (no overhead) stores. By adding the MAP pricing, the online could not sell below a certain price allowing the physical location to compete.
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
Sales tax is one reason. In CA, that adds $18 to the price. Of course, depending on which online source I purchase from(I.E. Bowlers Paradise), I will still get charged California sales tax. However, if I buy through Buddies Pro Shop, no sales tax and in effect an $18 discount.
Not that I will be buying "The 9's"
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
Sales tax is one reason. In CA, that adds $18 to the price. Of course, depending on which online source I purchase from(I.E. Bowlers Paradise), I will still get charged California sales tax. However, if I buy through Buddies Pro Shop, no sales tax and in effect an $18 discount.
Not that I will be buying "The 9's"
In Pennsylvania, you still have to pay Sales Tax on Internet Purchases if not assessed at the time of purchase. It is reported on your income tax return as a Use Tax and added to your tax liability. Maybe I am one of those rare people, but I actually report the use tax each year for online purchases I made that were not taxed but would have been if I purchased locally.
California has the same thing: http://www.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm
So trying to save having to pay sales tax is kind of a moot point if you have to pay it anyway.
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FYI, there is a whole list of products that have the MAP pricing from all the manufacturers. This is in response to the brick and mortar pro shops complaining that they could not compete with the online (no overhead) stores. By adding the MAP pricing, the online could not sell below a certain price allowing the physical location to compete.
Pro Shops have been closing every time you blink because we can't compete with Internet pricing. Brick and Mortar shops are a LOCAL business that is there for their bowlers and provide a service and competitive prices with the Internet. Try supporting your local economy for a change instead of the business 2000 miles away from you that could care less after they took you money. Like Nails said, if your local pro shop is good, they should be competitive and give you customer service. People like you are the first that go into a local shop and complain about how the ball you bought online does not fit properly or the shoes are not the right size, but hey you save a buck!
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
Sales tax is one reason. In CA, that adds $18 to the price. Of course, depending on which online source I purchase from(I.E. Bowlers Paradise), I will still get charged California sales tax. However, if I buy through Buddies Pro Shop, no sales tax and in effect an $18 discount.
Not that I will be buying "The 9's"
In Pennsylvania, you still have to pay Sales Tax on Internet Purchases if not assessed at the time of purchase. It is reported on your income tax return as a Use Tax and added to your tax liability. Maybe I am one of those rare people, but I actually report the use tax each year for online purchases I made that were not taxed but would have been if I purchased locally.
California has the same thing: http://www.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm (http://www.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm)
So trying to save having to pay sales tax is kind of a moot point if you have to pay it anyway.
I'll start reporting it when California finds a way to prove I bought it. Until then, I'll keep my money.
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Same here for me in Oklahoma, Milo ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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FYI, there is a whole list of products that have the MAP pricing from all the manufacturers. This is in response to the brick and mortar pro shops complaining that they could not compete with the online (no overhead) stores. By adding the MAP pricing, the online could not sell below a certain price allowing the physical location to compete.
Pro Shops have been closing every time you blink because we can't compete with Internet pricing. Brick and Mortar shops are a LOCAL business that is there for their bowlers and provide a service and competitive prices with the Internet. Try supporting your local economy for a change instead of the business 2000 miles away from you that could care less after they took you money. Like Nails said, if your local pro shop is good, they should be competitive and give you customer service. People like you are the first that go into a local shop and complain about how the ball you bought online does not fit properly or the shoes are not the right size, but hey you save a buck!
Careful throwing the "you" around. I am also a pro shop operator and would rather see the bowler come to me first. I will help them when they order stuff online but not always for no charge. In the end the purchase costs the same if you buy it online or at the shop.
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FYI, there is a whole list of products that have the MAP pricing from all the manufacturers. This is in response to the brick and mortar pro shops complaining that they could not compete with the online (no overhead) stores. By adding the MAP pricing, the online could not sell below a certain price allowing the physical location to compete.
Pro Shops have been closing every time you blink because we can't compete with Internet pricing. Brick and Mortar shops are a LOCAL business that is there for their bowlers and provide a service and competitive prices with the Internet. Try supporting your local economy for a change instead of the business 2000 miles away from you that could care less after they took you money. Like Nails said, if your local pro shop is good, they should be competitive and give you customer service. People like you are the first that go into a local shop and complain about how the ball you bought online does not fit properly or the shoes are not the right size, but hey you save a buck!
My Pro Shop closed down suddenly several days ago, and the owner has no plans to reopen it. I wish that Pro Shops in my area had more consistent shop hours. The shop I would like to switch to is open only 3 hours per day during the work week (6pm-9pm), and then only open 5 days total per week on top of it. Getting there is going to be tough, which means buying polishes, cleaners, tape, towels, abralon pads, etc. is going to go to online shops.
I have a fallback shop I can go to in a pinch, but the quality of work is inconsistent and I have a hard time trusting the work will be done properly. They also have a very lean inventory of accessories and supplies which makes stopping in for basic "immediate need" stuff frustrating.
I am all for supporting the local guy, but they also need to be reasonably available for me to do so.
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
Sales tax is one reason. In CA, that adds $18 to the price. Of course, depending on which online source I purchase from(I.E. Bowlers Paradise), I will still get charged California sales tax. However, if I buy through Buddies Pro Shop, no sales tax and in effect an $18 discount.
Not that I will be buying "The 9's"
In Pennsylvania, you still have to pay Sales Tax on Internet Purchases if not assessed at the time of purchase. It is reported on your income tax return as a Use Tax and added to your tax liability. Maybe I am one of those rare people, but I actually report the use tax each year for online purchases I made that were not taxed but would have been if I purchased locally.
California has the same thing: http://www.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm (http://www.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm)
So trying to save having to pay sales tax is kind of a moot point if you have to pay it anyway.
I'll start reporting it when California finds a way to prove I bought it. Until then, I'll keep my money.
That's certainly an option. I simply err on the side of caution and pay the applicable use tax each year to prevent any future headaches. In most cases, I would have purchased locally had the product been available and would have had to pay any associated tax anyway.
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FYI, there is a whole list of products that have the MAP pricing from all the manufacturers. This is in response to the brick and mortar pro shops complaining that they could not compete with the online (no overhead) stores. By adding the MAP pricing, the online could not sell below a certain price allowing the physical location to compete.
As a shop operator, you should be encouraging to purchase through you, not helping them order online. I stock shoes, but not high end shoes. If a customer comes in and looks at purchasing a show such as the 9, I will quote a price that is worth my time. After paying shipping on a pair of shoes, making a $5 profit is not worth my time. Most of my customers are willing to pay a few more dollars because they know that if there is any issues, I ensure they are taken care of. If they like the internet price better, then purchase online but don't expect me to spend 1/2 of my time helping when I have paying customers waiting for my services.
Pro Shops have been closing every time you blink because we can't compete with Internet pricing. Brick and Mortar shops are a LOCAL business that is there for their bowlers and provide a service and competitive prices with the Internet. Try supporting your local economy for a change instead of the business 2000 miles away from you that could care less after they took you money. Like Nails said, if your local pro shop is good, they should be competitive and give you customer service. People like you are the first that go into a local shop and complain about how the ball you bought online does not fit properly or the shoes are not the right size, but hey you save a buck!
Careful throwing the "you" around. I am also a pro shop operator and would rather see the bowler come to me first. I will help them when they order stuff online but not always for no charge. In the end the purchase costs the same if you buy it online or at the shop.
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I can afford to buy one or two pairs of these shoes, but I rather not. I can buy a BMW 5 (almost did two weeks ago), but I rather not, my truck is still good to me. We thought about going 3K square feet, 3 car garage, but we decided to up grade the house we live in.
I make choices to buy and companies can do whatever they want to make money. If I owned a business, that's what I'll do too. Everyone has a choice. Either buy it or not, but don't whine about the prices. chet, When I started smoking (I don't anymore 9 years smoke free) cigs and gas were less than a $1. everything will go up. Just prepare for it.
That's why I still have 6's and two pairs of 8's that were under $120 nib/sale. Cause I knew this will happen with the shoes. The ball prices gave it away lol......
Good luck and enjoy your 9's
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I can afford to buy one or two pairs of these shoes, but I rather not. I can buy a BMW 5 (almost did two weeks ago), but I rather not, my truck is still good to me. We thought about going 3K square feet, 3 car garage, but we decided to up grade the house we live in.
I make choices to buy and companies can do whatever they want to make money. If I owned a business, that's what I'll do too. Everyone has a choice. Either buy it or not, but don't whine about the prices. chet, When I started smoking (I don't anymore 9 years smoke free) cigs and gas were less than a $1. everything will go up. Just prepare for it.
That's why I still have 6's and two pairs of 8's that were under $120 nib/sale. Cause I knew this will happen with the shoes. The ball prices gave it away lol......
Good luck and enjoy your 9's
And you call yourself a Californian...
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I can afford to buy one or two pairs of these shoes, but I rather not. I can buy a BMW 5 (almost did two weeks ago), but I rather not, my truck is still good to me. We thought about going 3K square feet, 3 car garage, but we decided to up grade the house we live in.
I make choices to buy and companies can do whatever they want to make money. If I owned a business, that's what I'll do too. Everyone has a choice. Either buy it or not, but don't whine about the prices. chet, When I started smoking (I don't anymore 9 years smoke free) cigs and gas were less than a $1. everything will go up. Just prepare for it.
That's why I still have 6's and two pairs of 8's that were under $120 nib/sale. Cause I knew this will happen with the shoes. The ball prices gave it away lol......
Good luck and enjoy your 9's
And you call yourself a Californian...
Milo, I'm asian-pacific islander bro...I can be cheap lol...
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M5?
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M5?
Naw…
Anyone who can afford an M5 isn't going to break a sweat over the MAP pricing of a pair of shoes.
But a vanilla BMW 5?? That might be more bargain bin bowling shoe territory.
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M5?
Naw…
Anyone who can afford an M5 isn't going to break a sweat over the MAP pricing of a pair of shoes.
But a vanilla BMW 5?? That might be more bargain bin bowling shoe territory.
Steven is right Mr. M.... I can't buy what you drive... Maybe i can get a Cayman S, but more than that, i'll have to sell my sst 8's and some! lol
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Steven is right Mr. M.... I can't buy what you drive... Maybe i can get a Cayman S, but more than that, i'll have to sell my sst 8's and some! lol
It just shows you have some common sense. Unless you're going to spend serious weekend time at the race track and pop a few grand for a new set tires every few weeks, the BMW "M" series is overkill.
Spend your money on a 535 (more power than can be rationally used), and use a small percent of the savings on a pair of 9's. You'll have a win-win. ;)
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If you can afford a Cayman S you can afford what I drive.
People don't buy M5's to take to the track. People buy M5's because they can.
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If you can afford a Cayman S you can afford what I drive.
People don't buy M5's to take to the track. People buy M5's because they can.
See, when you were here, you never let me drive LOL
btw, I should of said "USED Cayman S" lol
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If you can afford a Cayman S you can afford what I drive.
People don't buy M5's to take to the track. People buy M5's because they can.
I guess the time I spent with my son's friend in his M5 at Willow Springs was an illusion. Trust me -- it wasn't the only M5 there.
The M5 is a nice car, but the twin turbos in the 335 or the 535 will lay waste to most cars and pile speeding tickets as well as anything on the road. And compared to an M5, you can keep 15-20K in your pocket. If pure speed is is the objective, a high end BMW motorcycle will keep an M5 in it's rear view mirrors. I've enjoyed that pleasure more than once.
I'm all about keeping more money available for those Dexter 9's. It's going to be one fine shoes. :)
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Blockbusterbowling.com has the SST 9's at $184.95 with free shipping. In addition, they have a discount coupon for $5.00 (Code BBN5 good till 8/15/15). The net cost is $179.95
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Please be aware, the 9's are just going to be expensive no matter what you do. You can save a few bucks on purchase of the shoes, but they don't come with any extra soles and heels and that Sole is retailed to be anywhere from $30-45. Just making you aware.
I think the 9's are a good idea, but not at the expense of the customer. You're going to spend about an extra $2-300 for the complete set of soles and heels.
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
Sales tax is one reason. In CA, that adds $18 to the price. Of course, depending on which online source I purchase from(I.E. Bowlers Paradise), I will still get charged California sales tax. However, if I buy through Buddies Pro Shop, no sales tax and in effect an $18 discount.
Not that I will be buying "The 9's"
In Pennsylvania, you still have to pay Sales Tax on Internet Purchases if not assessed at the time of purchase. It is reported on your income tax return as a Use Tax and added to your tax liability. Maybe I am one of those rare people, but I actually report the use tax each year for online purchases I made that were not taxed but would have been if I purchased locally.
California has the same thing: http://www.boe.ca.gov/ads/news06.htm
So trying to save having to pay sales tax is kind of a moot point if you have to pay it anyway.
You are the most honest man in the world. I commend you for that.
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I just ordered a pair of 9s through my proshop, because I can. ;D
To Righty's point, they're not cheap, but few things of value are. They seem to fix the few minor warts present in the SST8s, which means the 9's could last as long as you want to keep them. When you amortize the cost of the 9's over the many years they should last, it's really not that much money.
Geez, the 9s are the roughly the cost of a ball. Yet they're almost guaranteed to be on your feet long after the last ball you bought (of many) gets tossed in the dump.
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I agree with everything that has been stated here. However, the opening question by lsf_21 was ......has anyone seen the SST9's cheaper that $189.95. The answer is Yes!
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I agree with everything that has been stated here. However, the opening question by lsf_21 was ......has anyone seen the SST9's cheaper that $189.95. The answer is Yes!
The five dollar saving at Blockbuster is the nothing more than the tip you'd leave for a cheap meal at a coffee shop. And that doesn't account for the $5 you should probably pay for a fit guarantee.
Pay the MAP price through your pro shop and and keep the profit local. In most cases, it doesn't make sense to buy this shoe through the Internet.
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Buy them where you choose, its your damn money. Waiting for the reviews.
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Buy them where you choose, its your damn money. Waiting for the reviews.
Well Kid, that was illuminating. It's always an individuals choice to buy where they choose. But depending on the situation, some choices are smarter than others.
I'll try to give a fair review when I get them.
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Considering your pov for buy local it's likely going to fall on deaf ears.
If they don't step up on the comfort level they are losing touch with bowlers. As an owner of many dexters over the years when I tried on my first pair of non dexters and thought I discovered comfort never seen in bowling shoes I got pissed for spending the $$$$ I have for very sub par comfort that's unacceptable when paying that kind of money for a quality show.
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If you want them for $184.95 you should order quick. I would bet Blockbuster will be getting a letter about the price.
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If you want them for $184.95 you should order quick. I would bet Blockbuster will be getting a letter about the price.
The price was already changed to $189.99.
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Considering your pov for buy local it's likely going to fall on deaf ears.
If they don't step up on the comfort level they are losing touch with bowlers. As an owner of many dexters over the years when I tried on my first pair of non dexters and thought I discovered comfort never seen in bowling shoes I got pissed for spending the $$$$ I have for very sub par comfort that's unacceptable when paying that kind of money for a quality show.
In the case of the 9s, if local costs the same as the internet, why would that fall on deaf ears? Logically, it makes no sense to screw your local guy of a sale if it doesn't hurt you personally. Maybe I'm missing something on that…..
As for comfort, that's subjective. Dexter's continued dominance of the high end shoe market isn't going to end because a couple of other shoes might be a little more comfortable out of the box.
What could hurt Dexter moving forward is the overall cost of the 9s. If Righty is correct and soles end up costing $30-$45 a pop, that will piss a lot of bowlers off. I'm not happy that I probably won't be able to use the shoes out of the box, and have to buy additional soles/heels for the 9s to be usable. I think Dexter is making a big marketing mistake not including at least a couple additional sole/heel combinations like they used to.
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When you order the 9, can you specify which sole/heel combo you want? I always have had to change to the combo that gives the most slide on my other shoes that came with various soles/heels. Would not want to order a pair of shoes that I can't use out of box.
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
I think Online is here to stay. Let's face it. Companies online have the better deals
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FYI, there is a whole list of products that have the MAP pricing from all the manufacturers. This is in response to the brick and mortar pro shops complaining that they could not compete with the online (no overhead) stores. By adding the MAP pricing, the online could not sell below a certain price allowing the physical location to compete.
Pro Shops have been closing every time you blink because we can't compete with Internet pricing. Brick and Mortar shops are a LOCAL business that is there for their bowlers and provide a service and competitive prices with the Internet. Try supporting your local economy for a change instead of the business 2000 miles away from you that could care less after they took you money. Like Nails said, if your local pro shop is good, they should be competitive and give you customer service. People like you are the first that go into a local shop and complain about how the ball you bought online does not fit properly or the shoes are not the right size, but hey you save a buck!
Careful throwing the "you" around. I am also a pro shop operator and would rather see the bowler come to me first. I will help them when they order stuff online but not always for no charge. In the end the purchase costs the same if you buy it online or at the shop.
That is not right. I can get online products a lot cheaper than the Pros. Plus the pro shops hardly stock anything.
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When you order the 9, can you specify which sole/heel combo you want? I always have had to change to the combo that gives the most slide on my other shoes that came with various soles/heels. Would not want to order a pair of shoes that I can't use out of box.
Wouldn't that be awesome to be able to do this. Then it would technically become a 'custom' shoes which would run more. The 9's do appear to be the best shoes out there. It's like taking the Etonic shoes that Ozio created and made them much better.
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When you order the 9, can you specify which sole/heel combo you want? I always have had to change to the combo that gives the most slide on my other shoes that came with various soles/heels. Would not want to order a pair of shoes that I can't use out of box.
No, if you want a specific heel sole combo you need to order the heels and soles you want separately at $30 each. That is another drawback to this shoe.
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$30 each for a heel and sole? Glad to find that out now instead of later....
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Heels are the same as are used for all the SST's. Soles are specific to the 9's.
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If these are now sold with MAP pricing, why not go crazy and do something like..... order from your pro shop instead of trying to save a nickel buying online? You get the added bonus of customer service if they fit different than expected or need replacing due to a defect.
I think Online is here to stay. Let's face it. Companies online have the better deals
You completely missed the point. I said since the prices are nearly identical, why not support your local pro shop?
Everyone has to make their choice on how they spend their money, but every time you keep a local shop from turning a profit is a chance that they will eventually go out of business. I don't want to not have a local option. Their are certain things I don't want to do on line.
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You completely missed the point. I said since the prices are nearly identical, why not support your local pro shop?
Everyone has to make their choice on how they spend their money, but every time you keep a local shop from turning a profit is a chance that they will eventually go out of business. I don't want to not have a local option. Their are certain things I don't want to do on line.
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That's what I saw also, the prices are basically identical whether online or at the shop, so I'm going to the proshop. Which would make any returns, exchanges, warranty claims easier to handle too.
The 9's are too new for there to be any real "deals" yet on them anywhere.
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Shoes are extremely personal for me and I need to touch them and check out things like arch support. I bought a pair of the LZs to replace my old sst6 leather ones, and the build quality isn't the same. If these are good, I may pick up a pair.
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$30 each for a heel and sole? Glad to find that out now instead of later....
The 9 sole has a the toe cap built into it -- a two-in-one setup for $30. If you buy a 3G sole and the separate 3G toe cap, you're out $43.
I know, you don't always need a new sole when the cap needs replacing (and vice versa), but you get the picture there are no magical life altering savings with the 3Gs.
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I ended up getting mine from my PSO. He had them for 185 out the door.