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dizzyfugu

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Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« on: June 01, 2008, 09:29:34 PM »
Hello all,

since my last style video in January and some very helpful feedback I am (a bit) proud to present a current update.

Major issues were the upward movement of the ball during the pushaway phase, which caused (extra) late timing, as well some "wobbling" of my head, up and down with my step cadence.

I tried to work on this, especially on the pushaway. Overall, I think timing has much improved, as well as my slide (it had been non-existent 1 year ago!). I just found that the old habit of moving the ball up- instead of for- and downwards creeps back into my game every now and then, when I hurry too much. You can see this in some of the side shots.
But the downwards pushaway movement is the way to go - I feel that the overall timing becomes much better, and my release point in the ankle area has more leverage than the induced later timing through the upwards movement. The ball also has much less loft.

So, still some work to do, but I see and feel the progress - an here is the training footage (ball is my Revolution Renegade): Style video - status June 2008 (4:33 min.)

PS:
Do not wonder why there are no people to be seen in this 24 lane house (Treff Bowling, Duisburg, Germany) - only a few are so sick/possessed to go for training at 10 AM Sunday morning But I wanted the lanes to be fresh - especially with an oil pattern that will be laid out in a tournament in this house in 2 weeks (only 38', rather thin, but with built-in change for the course of play as special challenge).

Please feel free to add constructive criticism.

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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 05:50:34 AM »
cool dizzy!

you go up .. pick yoiur ball and go down into your kneebend and never leave it until you turn around to leave the approach after the throw

It's like you sneak up the lanes/pins....

Well I myself have a lot to work on. so my criticism will be kept short:

When you release the ball you have your hand almost at the side of the ball... that is ok.
But you could try to get more behind the ball.

Just one idea.

And you seem to bow down just a second before you let the ball go and then get the little thing back up.

just another idea.

But + :

you have a very nice slide now... I remember old Vids where you planted your foot like "steping on a beetle" or something as you described it.




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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 06:10:19 AM »
Hi Dizzy,

I haven't had a look at your older videos, so what I've seen in your latest video is in isolation. Overall it looks good, you're right about your tendency to deliver the ball in a more upward direction on occasion, but at least you know about it.

One of the points I'd make about the video, especially the side shots, is that you tend to go through your approach with your feet in front of your shoulders. By this I mean that when you reach the foul line, you get there with your foot first and then the rest of you catches up. This contributes to the upward lofting problem.

I would suggest that you try and work on leaning your body forward slightly, but be careful not to do this with the upper body. The way I put it to my students is to try and imagine setting up in your stance and then leaning forward from your ankles. As you do this there'll be a "tipping point" where if you lean any further forwards you'll fall and will want to step forwards. I try to use this to initiate the approach, so that it's a natural step. This might be made easier by straightening your legs a little in the stance.
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 12:19:18 PM »
Thank you for the feedback. Yeah, I was surprised by myself when I checked the current footage - I never expected to look so... sneaky on the approach
Besides, I was very surprised how much and well I actually slide - it does not feel this way, but it was and is the key to my remodeled style (see below).

About both of your observations, the "bowing" upon the release as well as the loft issue:
I am with you on this, and I am sure it still stems from my late timing that becomes severe when I get really late, e. g. through an upward pushaway start. I found to be much more in time when I have a "flat" pushaway, it just gets along better with my footwork. I still tend to hurry (a little).
The moment of ball release is also a tad earlier - the nodding appears when I stick too long to the ball, when it starts moving upward instead of straight out. I am aware of this, but your confirmation tells me that I am on the right way, just have to work harder on the not-so-early timing.

@AngloBowler: It is funny that you mention my knee bend and the overal body position - that is exactly what I want to achieve (seems to work?). I come from the total contrast: upward movement, no flexed legs, and then a bent upper body upon release, no slide at all (Sebatian remembers correctly, squashing beetles was the original style). After a fellow bowler's suggestion who saw me struggle in training, I tried to move my body's CG radically backwards to prevent the bent upper body. I had the idea to keep an upright upper body and to keep the shoulders square in order to have a straight and free pendulum (open shoulder and the like is nothing for me), but shift the leverage point at the shoulder backwards, so that the release point would be well behind the ankle. It used to be much further towards the foul line.
 
Flexed knees and a half-sitting position right from the start did the trick, and this has been a good key for me to improve my timing and overall release without sacrificing of my "natural" stroker game. I just tuined the mechanics, with very good success, as far as I can tell. I also have a much better balance at the foul line, as you can see in the current video.

One drawback might still be the overall late timing - I slide and practically wait for the ball to arrive, and I can put some muscle into the swing's ned phase from a stable end position. Since it does not hamper my balance, I think it is O.K. (better than early timing) - but the VERY late timing issue might result in loft and the nodding to compensate, when I bow down to follow the ball with my hand for too long. It can be seen in the current video, and you noticed it correctly, many thanks for this. These shots normally end up with a pulled shot and a Brooklyn hit

Finally, on popular demand and as a benchmark, I revived an older video of mine from last October. Beware, ugly, but it shows how much changed for the better I think the progress is visible, in many respects. Be strong and faithful: http://media.putfile.com/Style-study-Oct-07

Thanks a lot, any further suggestions are welcome
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 12:55:06 PM »
Hey there Dizzy.  Very smooth form!  The only advice I would want to give you (I think your game is very sound otherwise) would be to create more of a pendulum effect with your arm.  You seem to muscle the ball during your armswing, and it stops short of how high it could/should go.  By letting your arm be completely dead, gravity will do its work and all you have to do is let it go.  It'll make repeating shots INFINITELY easier.  I started doing that recently, and it's insane how easily it is to hit my mark now.
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 12:56:42 PM »
P.S.: I love how you sneak up on the lanes.  I wanna try that one day.  Ok, I'll try it today
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 11:49:44 PM »
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Hey Dizzy - I would recommend that you hold the ball higher from the start, then, drop the ball into your swing. It is incredibly hard to maintain consistant timing when you push the ball up and out as you are walking to the line. Release looks fine, slight up hit, but that wont kill you..


I agree.  Overall it looks like you are thinking about your approach too much.  There isn't any flow to it, and it doesn't look natural at all.  I know you goal is to perfect it, but sometimes thinking too much can get in the way of just rolling the ball.  Personally I'd focus more on that hitch in your release.  It's most likely caused by your late timing, but I'd work backwards from your release.
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 12:16:26 AM »
main problem i see is when u start backswing u delay it and push the BALL UP then let it go back. its wasted energy. in the 2nd step push the ball forward and just it let drop into your swing
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 01:41:17 AM »
nothing wrong about waiting for the ball imho....

Seems it is a spreading disease with tha late timing... I have the same issue... and I have this upward pushaway...

Working on it I was told more than once:
that if I can not fix it... simply wait on/for the ball.... let it come and keep my position... not force it.

Dizzy I don't know how stable you are but I for myself am not... so forcing it will make my shot bad in any way... both targe and release-wise.

but what is half a step ... ok I know it is the world when you have done it for years and suddenly want to change it.
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 05:12:34 AM »
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main problem i see is when u start backswing u delay it and push the BALL UP then let it go back. its wasted energy. in the 2nd step push the ball forward and just it let drop into your swing


Thanks a lot for all the comments, it is highly appreciated!

Well, I think the biggest issue is my tendency to move the ball upwards druing the pushaway. If you check the Oct. 2007 video, you will see that the problem had been more severe then, and that I held the ball much higher in my adress position.

As a consequence, the ball would go a much too long way -  paired with fast feet, no wonder I have a late pendulum timing that I have to come by

I wonder if I truly use muscle in my swing... it does not feel this way, I just push the ball out and let it go - the only effort I put into it is in the swing end phase, in order to drive "through"  the ball and catch up with my earlier footwork. Hmmm... I'll try to check into this, even though it is hard to tell all by myself.

Again, many thanks for the suggestions. I feel I am on a good way right now, and some external input is never wrong - so far, I am happy with what I have achieved (even though consitency still can become better, X Guy is correct )

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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 07:13:09 AM »
Dizzy,do not flex your knees in your set up.It may feel alright to you,but it is causing you to be too stiff in your approach.This is causing you to muscle every thing in your game.Start in a standing position and heel toe your approach until the slide step and start sitting in the chair on your slide step.This will only set you back a couple of weeks until you develop muscle memory.

I.m.o what you are doing now will not get you where you want to be.You appear to be determined to be a better than average bowler.I also would suggest a coach to get you out of this wooden approach.

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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 07:59:51 AM »
Dizzy -
Nice video! I like the use of multiple viewing angles to allow help us to help you improve your game.

It takes a lot of courage to put yourself out there for criticism, so I'll try to be gentle with my comments.

1.) I agree with some of the previous posters about getting into your knee bend at the start of the approach. It causes you to almost tiptoe to the line, taking cautious steps. I would like to see you in a normal walking stance at the start of your delivery, then gently "dropping in" to your slide step. The steps should be more natural, and I think this will actually help your timing.

2.) Your late timing may also be caused by how upright you are at the line. Your slide is good, but you are almost "pushing back" in your appearance, and this may be contributing to late delivery and extra loft on some of your shots.

3.) Are you muscling the ball to a stop in your backswing, and thus preventing it from reaching full height? It looks like it shoud naturally come a little higher. This may be a way you're are trying to control your ball speed, but it looks like it is forced a bit. Relax, and let the pendulum (your arm) swing freely. Having a relaxed pendulum motion will also give you more consistency in your swing plane, and hence more accuracy and repeatability in your shot.

4.) Are "clamdigger" shorts back in fashion? I haven't worn a pair since the mid 80's, when the tropical print shorts were all the rage. Ahhh ... the good old days.  

All in all, not bad. You have some minor issues that could be improved, but your game looks fairly solid. I admire your effort and willingness to improve and accept the constructive criticism that we are providing.

Hope I haven't been too harsh. Good luck on your improvements!
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 04:50:24 AM »
Thanks a lot!
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2008, 09:37:07 AM »
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Who let you out of the house wearing those?



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Are you asking me or Dizzy (or both)?
I was in Jr. High when those were popular. Blame it on youthful indiscretion.  
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Re: Dizzyfugu style video (June 2008)
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2008, 09:38:34 AM »
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4.) Are "clamdigger" shorts back in fashion? I haven't worn a pair since the mid 80's, when the tropical print shorts were all the rage. Ahhh ... the good old days.  


Uh, not sure whether you refer to the 2007 or 2008 video? In fact, I love 3/4 shorts, because they "hide" my excessive weight very well
But, in fact, you get almost nothing but those baggy clam digger shorts in Germany! I have been searching for some shorts that do NOT have those clumsy extra pockets that are in the pendulum's swing... it is really tough.
Hard times for bowlers


Besides, many thanks again for all of your input, it is more and better than I'd expect, giving me valuable hints on future training. Criticism is always a good thing - if it is constructive, and I know what to expect (in the worst as awell as the best case) when I post a video here.
I am far from perfect (otherwise I'd rather play PBA and look down on this forum?), but willing to improve step by step. And this site has been a great (but not the only) source for suggestions, so anyone's serious input is highly appreciated.
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