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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: 3835 on November 15, 2019, 06:25:56 PM
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No joke. Can’t believe it. More details to come. I heard it earlier and thought my friend had the info reversed. Made a call and I am floored.
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Lot of people are going to have to reevaluate their stance on made in Mexico. I remember those post flooding ballreviews like it was yesterday
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Here is the article:
https://www.kentuckynewera.com/web/article_81eb5230-0803-11ea-860e-6fdd80f9ebd8.html?fbclid=IwAR2BsBPPkR0gQYatVCjF0TsQj9i_SIHtpf2Ed_yWykeVsl8XqCynjdAiPOw
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It’s Motiv or Storm or Brunswick. I count 900 under the Storm umbrella. Not many options.
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As a business person, I'm really curious on the terms of the deal and why EBI did it
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I'm flabbergasted.
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Alright more balls at cheap closeout. ;D
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So, let's see if I have this straight. Brunswick, who left many segments of bowling and moved what's left to Mexico, has bought EBI, and promises to keep all 7 brands active, built out of Mexico? Pushing out more American jobs?
Man.... I was just heading away from Storm too. My Statement Solid is great, and the Sauce was next, and Futura to replace my GB. Now I'm heading right back to Storm.... I agree, totally unexpected.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/PfC0zCWq/mexico.png)
But in all seriousness couldn't care less where the balls are poured. Keep the clearance prices coming and we're good.
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Well count me as stunned, and also saddened for the folks in Hopkinsville.
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Well count me as stunned, and also saddened for the folks in Hopkinsville.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^
170 + people effected so sad for sure.. I know capitalism is king but it still burns none the less...
My friend had just started at EBI in January and told me several times that the numbers where good for EBI, he was totally floored yet he said the sales meeting they had last week gave him a weird feeling.
My understanding also is that Rob Gotchal was caught off guard as well...also sounds like Big B will retain all staffers at this time...
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I am not an official spokesman for Brunswick, so I respond here as a bowler who cares about bowling. Brunswick has treated me like a king for many years, and I have loved my association with them. Now... on to my response.
The people that used to own EBI are loaded, but some of their businesses have been in trouble financially, such as Banana Republic and Gap. My guess is that they will continue to divest and simplify more, but it's just a hunch.
Although this is a surprise to all, I look at it as another example of Brunswick's commitment to bowling, as opposed to EBI's former owners, who likely sold everything at a discount (otherwise, why would it be attractive to any prospective buyer) and walked away from bowling.
Competition in the marketplace is usually a good thing, because it causes all involved to be better in order to compete. The future for these 4 brands will be known at some point in the future, but at least they are owned by a company that cares about bowling.
As I've said before, those of you who are stubborn enough to claim you're only buying U.S. products, while wearing clothing sewn elsewhere and driving cars assembled elsewhere, are limiting your options, but go ahead. Your patriotism is selective at best. I love my country, too, but this is a global economy whether we like it or not.
Storm is a great company. Motiv has a smaller market share, but I wish them well because it's good for bowling to have the competition. So, while I was surprised at Brunswick's acquisition because it seemingly came out of nowhere, I applaud it if it keeps bowling stronger in it's own little world.
Bowling is not a "life or death" thing, it's recreation in an ever-increasing competitive market for people's recreation time and money. I love bowling. I want it to survive, but you've all seen the handwriting on the wall. Bowling centers are closing at alarming rates because the property they sit on is suddenly more valuable than kept open as traditional bowling establishments.
Time will answer many of these questions, but this should be viewed as a bowling company purchasing another bowling company. Hopefully they can make it all work for the better of the game we love.
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Wild news, and as much as I don't love Brunswick being made in Mexico, they chose to do that versus go under. In this Ebonite acquisition, EBI was closing, regardless of a buyer or not, so Brunswick as Lane noted above is basically doing us a favor in buying the brands and technology, it will just be interesting to see what they do with it.
As a whole it's sad to see the bowling circle of manufacturers shrink again, but it would have been even worse if EBI just closed doors and not sold.
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Whew, Brunswick must have really wanted that KR Strikeforce contract back.
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themagician,
You said Ebi would’ve closed the doors regardless. Is that something you know for sure, or just speculation (like most of us are doing)?
This is astounding to me, especially since there weren’t any leaks, or even rumors of anything, especially as big a deal as this is in the bowling world.
Big B has always made good stuff, and for years was all I would throw regardless of where it was made.
Feel kinda sorry for everyone caught up in the losing side of this deal. I’ve been the person in that position before, and its damn sure not a good place to find ones self in. One day you’ve got a good job with a stable employer, the next you’re unemployed and wondering how and where to go. :(
I hope all those Ebonite customers who were refusing to buy Brunswick because of where they are made can see their way past that and continue to support the brands of their choice. Otherwise, you will now have only Storm, Rotogrip, Motiv, 900Global, and maybe the odd private label stuff (that a lot of is poured in China, which isn’t American made either).
If the sale was inevitable, I’m at least glad they didn’t just kill the brands off and decided to keep them going.
I still remember when Ebi acquired all the assets of Columbia300 (which included Amf300 and Dynothane) and I was surprised when that happened, but at least we had all heard rumors. This one just seemingly fell out of a clear blue sky.
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Juggernaut,
I've heard from a very reliable source that EBI was closing regardless. I expect some more info will come out after the dust settles.
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Whew, Brunswick must have really wanted that KR Strikeforce contract back.
#realtalk
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1. Terrible for 170 in Hopkinsville. (Though at least they get something through January, so it could be worse news)
2. Seems like way too many brands under one roof to manage well. So I have an idea that has zero chance of actually happening, but would be pretty cool:
Spin off Hammer, Track, and Radical as a separate entity and let Mo build some new Hammers and Phil build some Tracks and the two can collaborate on Radicals still.
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Total speculation here. Hammer stays, the rest get axed. Hammer is the best selling EBI brand, and the name is still good.
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IT is what it is, but one note... NotClay, as an American worker whose position was outsourced to India along with my entire department of 192 shot down now to 8, and now forced into early retirement, may I offer a humble and heartfelt SCREW YOU to this global economy mantra. You certainly aren't saving money buying Brunswick, it's going into their profit margin at worker expense. So, from I and my family, get a clue.
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lefty50,
Thank you for your honest response. Your experience is very real to you, and I appreciate your candor, but complaining about the global economy doesn't change a thing. To quote you, "It is what it is..."
One can wish in one hand, and spit in the other, and see which hand has the most in it.
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Total speculation here. Hammer stays, the rest get axed. Hammer is the best selling EBI brand, and the name is still good.
Yeah makes sense, 7 brands is too many under one roof. EBI was struggling with 4.
Hammer has literally been carrying EBI for a while, they bring the most to the table of the 4 brands.
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Total speculation here. Hammer stays, the rest get axed. Hammer is the best selling EBI brand, and the name is still good.
Yeah makes sense, 7 brands is too many under one roof. EBI was struggling with 4.
Hammer has literally been carrying EBI for a while, they bring the most to the table of the 4 brands.
Yeah, Hammer has had a good run recently. Black Widow Pink, Flawless, Vibes, etc. Did C300 and Track make some good stuff? Yeah! But Hammer sales had to best everyone else's numbers.
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Disappointed too, to hear about the closing of the Hopkinsville plant. The hemorrhaging of American jobs will continue as long as too many folks simply throw up their hands and say, "oh well, it is what it is ."
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As far the made in USA thing. For many people I think it is different for a bowling ball. You ball is a personalized thing, it's custom drilled for you, and after years of bowling, there just seems to be some things that belong on that ball. You're drilling the pin, cg, and that engraving on the back on the ball "made in USA."
So that missing for the ball, is very noticeable. There is also a choice in what ball to get, where other items may not have a choice. My mouse doesn't' have made in USA engraved on it, nor are there USA made mice readily available.
Motiv definitely has used the made in USA thing a small part of their marketing.
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Total speculation here. Hammer stays, the rest get axed. Hammer is the best selling EBI brand, and the name is still good.
Yeah makes sense, 7 brands is too many under one roof. EBI was struggling with 4.
Hammer has literally been carrying EBI for a while, they bring the most to the table of the 4 brands.
Yeah, Hammer has had a good run recently. Black Widow Pink, Flawless, Vibes, etc. Did C300 and Track make some good stuff? Yeah! But Hammer sales had to best everyone else's numbers.
I was told 2 to 1 for Hammer over the other 3 brands compared to Hammer..
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As far the made in USA thing. For many people I think it is different for a bowling ball. You ball is a personalized thing, it's custom drilled for you, and after years of bowling, there just seems to be some things that belong on that ball. You're drilling the pin, cg, and that engraving on the back on the ball "made in USA."
So that missing for the ball, is very noticeable. There is also a choice in what ball to get, where other items may not have a choice. My mouse doesn't' have made in USA engraved on it, nor are there USA made mice readily available.
Motiv definitely has used the made in USA thing a small part of their marketing.
EBI has used that as well.
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Total speculation here. Hammer stays, the rest get axed. Hammer is the best selling EBI brand, and the name is still good.
Yeah makes sense, 7 brands is too many under one roof. EBI was struggling with 4.
Hammer has literally been carrying EBI for a while, they bring the most to the table of the 4 brands.
Yeah, Hammer has had a good run recently. Black Widow Pink, Flawless, Vibes, etc. Did C300 and Track make some good stuff? Yeah! But Hammer sales had to best everyone else's numbers.
I was told 2 to 1 for Hammer over the other 3 brands compared to Hammer..
All you have to do is go to a league and look at the ball returns. That tells you all you need to know
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Total speculation here. Hammer stays, the rest get axed. Hammer is the best selling EBI brand, and the name is still good.
Yeah makes sense, 7 brands is too many under one roof. EBI was struggling with 4.
Hammer has literally been carrying EBI for a while, they bring the most to the table of the 4 brands.
Yeah, Hammer has had a good run recently. Black Widow Pink, Flawless, Vibes, etc. Did C300 and Track make some good stuff? Yeah! But Hammer sales had to best everyone else's numbers.
I was told 2 to 1 for Hammer over the other 3 brands compared to Hammer..
All you have to do is go to a league and look at the ball returns. That tells you all you need to know
Yep. Speculating here but maybe Big B wanted EBI for Hammer. Brian Graham still works for Big B and he spearheaded and was over Hammer back in the early to mid 2000's before he left to help start DV8..
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I throw Ebonite and Hammer balls. But any company that that takes away American jobs is dead to me. Screw Brunswick !! They will not get one penny of my money.
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IT is what it is, but one note... NotClay, as an American worker whose position was outsourced to India along with my entire department of 192 shot down now to 8, and now forced into early retirement, may I offer a humble and heartfelt SCREW YOU to this global economy mantra. You certainly aren't saving money buying Brunswick, it's going into their profit margin at worker expense. So, from I and my family, get a clue.
For better or worse, American labor is expensive - especially with jobs that can be automated in some fashion. If you don't mind me asking, what did you do that got outsourced?
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Can't find a 15 pound purple hammer online anywhere now... one on Amazon marked up 30 bucks and a few auctions on ebay that's it.
Edit: Looks like I missed a site or two but they are definitely getting harder to find over the last 48 hours.
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#900global
Come dip your toes in the water. I'll be your tour guide.
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Can't find a 15 pound purple hammer online anywhere now... one on Amazon marked up 30 bucks and a few auctions on ebay that's it.
Lefties everywhere are nervous…..
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I throw Ebonite and Hammer balls. But any company that that takes away American jobs is dead to me. Screw Brunswick !! They will not get one penny of my money.
Can I come to your home? I want to make sure everything you wear, drive, and generally use in your day to day life is made in the good ole USA. I’d be willing to bet the very device you posted from is not made in the USA.
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I believe some are confused on the Made in USA argument. Before this transaction, consumers had a choice of Motiv, Storm, Roto Grip, 900 Global, Hammer, Track, C300, Ebonite for USA brands and Brunswick, Radical, DV8, LaneMasters, Lord Field for non USA brands. Throw is a few private labels and those are our choices. So many choose the made in America option since we actually have a choice. Can you name a phone that is 100% made in the US? I can't, so we don't have a choice. So consumers are still trying to support Made in the USA while they have a choice. Very soon, Motiv, Storm/RG/900G, will be our only options for Made in the USA when it comes to a cheaply made bowling ball. So many will try to support that while we still have a choice.
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Thank you Brunswick for saving the Ebonite umbrella of companies from the graveyard!
I look at things differently after Visionary closed their doors. I wish someone-ANYONE-would have bought them and continued making bowling balls under their name. I LOVED Visionary! I will continue to purchase Ebonite products because I like them. They work for me. The same reason I buy Motive, 900 Global, and some Storm products.
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Not sure where Waterboy has been looking.Bowlerx.com shows they have 15lb Purple hammers.
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#900global
Come dip your toes in the water. I'll be your tour guide.
Thinking again about an After Dark Pearl if they're hardly going to oil the lanes outside 3rd arrow :P Still wish I could walk into the local pro shop and say "Gimme one ADP, purple" though...
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#900global
Come dip your toes in the water. I'll be your tour guide.
Thinking again about an After Dark Pearl if they're hardly going to oil the lanes outside 3rd arrow :P Still wish I could walk into the local pro shop and say "Gimme one ADP, purple" though...
Show your interest! If there is interest, your PSO will stick it!
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Not sure where Waterboy has been looking.Bowlerx.com shows they have 15lb Purple hammers
Good catch, could have sworn I had looked there but I guess I missed it. They are certainly moving quickly though.
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If Storm has Tropicals made by Brunswick do you only boycott the ball or the brand?
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Apparently all regional sales reps were let go too. We had a demo day cancelled for today
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https://www.bowlersjournal.com/brunswick-ceo-corey-dykstra-on-ebonite-acquisition/
It is tough for the factory workers who are out of work no doubt. Unfortunately this isn't a made in USA issue it's a bowling popularity and economic issue.The bowling ball market has dropped 20+% while industry pressure to release ever growing number of new balls a year has increased. So R&D and production costs go up and profitability goes down while the factories aren't operating at full capacity further increasing costs.
Bowling ball prices are relatively set, at all levels of the line the companies are within $10-$15 dollars of each other often at the exact same rate, to my mind there isn't a company that has tried to leverage lower costs to gain market share other than maybe brunswick going on closeout at a much higher rate. It's brutally competitive, how many new releases do people need.
While I get people are frustrated that the balls will be made in Mexico but Brunswick brought certain assets that they thought could add value which were the rights to the brand and some intellectual property. Maybe someone will buy some other select assets of Ebonite including the factory, but my guess is Ebonite had large liabilities that would have to be assumed if Brunswick were to buy the corporation. Why not just buy the aspects you want or have flexibility with rather then unprofitable assets and liabilities including potential debts or legals claims.
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I believe some are confused on the Made in USA argument. Before this transaction, consumers had a choice of Motiv, Storm, Roto Grip, 900 Global, Hammer, Track, C300, Ebonite for USA brands and Brunswick, Radical, DV8, LaneMasters, Lord Field for non USA brands. Throw is a few private labels and those are our choices. So many choose the made in America option since we actually have a choice. Can you name a phone that is 100% made in the US? I can't, so we don't have a choice. So consumers are still trying to support Made in the USA while they have a choice. Very soon, Motiv, Storm/RG/900G, will be our only options for Made in the USA when it comes to a cheaply made bowling ball. So many will try to support that while we still have a choice.
Exactly TKK. Folks, keep it in perspective of the bowling industry and not all industries when these statements are made.
https://www.bowlersjournal.com/brunswick-ceo-corey-dykstra-on-ebonite-acquisition/
It is tough for the factory workers who are out of work no doubt. Unfortunately this isn't a made in USA issue it's a bowling popularity and economic issue.The bowling ball market has dropped 20+% while industry pressure to release ever growing number of new balls a year has increased. So R&D and production costs go up and profitability goes down while the factories aren't operating at full capacity further increasing costs.
Bowling ball prices are relatively set, at all levels of the line the companies are within $10-$15 dollars of each other often at the exact same rate, to my mind there isn't a company that has tried to leverage lower costs to gain market share other than maybe brunswick going on closeout at a much higher rate. It's brutally competitive, how many new releases do people need.
While I get people are frustrated that the balls will be made in Mexico but Brunswick brought certain assets that they thought could add value which were the rights to the brand and some intellectual property. Maybe someone will buy some other select assets of Ebonite including the factory, but my guess is Ebonite had large liabilities that would have to be assumed if Brunswick were to buy the corporation. Why not just buy the aspects you want or have flexibility with rather then unprofitable assets and liabilities including potential debts or legals claims.
EBI was a bit aggressive with their release schedule in managing 4 brands. In my opinion the EBI consumers would not have been upset for a more thought out relaxed release schedule like Storm does with Storm/RG. Storm and RG usually release complements across brands and at staggered times. EBI would release overlapping equipment and drop balls in all 4 brands at once. I don’t think the heads at EBI really truly had their heads in the game for years unfortunately.
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Apparently all regional sales reps were let go too. We had a demo day cancelled for today
Correct. My friend is a regional sales rep and he was in Morgantown WVA and was told to stop and return home....
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Apparently all regional sales reps were let go too. We had a demo day cancelled for today
Correct. My friend is a regional sales rep and he was in Morgantown WVA and was told to stop and return home....
Cold blooded.
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The former EBI brands might get that boost in angularity now that many have been clamoring for over the years.
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I believe some are confused on the Made in USA argument. Before this transaction, consumers had a choice of Motiv, Storm, Roto Grip, 900 Global, Hammer, Track, C300, Ebonite for USA brands and Brunswick, Radical, DV8, LaneMasters, Lord Field for non USA brands. Throw is a few private labels and those are our choices. So many choose the made in America option since we actually have a choice. Can you name a phone that is 100% made in the US? I can't, so we don't have a choice. So consumers are still trying to support Made in the USA while they have a choice. Very soon, Motiv, Storm/RG/900G, will be our only options for Made in the USA when it comes to a cheaply made bowling ball. So many will try to support that while we still have a choice.
Exactly TKK. Folks, keep it in perspective of the bowling industry and not all industries when these statements are made.
https://www.bowlersjournal.com/brunswick-ceo-corey-dykstra-on-ebonite-acquisition/
It is tough for the factory workers who are out of work no doubt. Unfortunately this isn't a made in USA issue it's a bowling popularity and economic issue.The bowling ball market has dropped 20+% while industry pressure to release ever growing number of new balls a year has increased. So R&D and production costs go up and profitability goes down while the factories aren't operating at full capacity further increasing costs.
Bowling ball prices are relatively set, at all levels of the line the companies are within $10-$15 dollars of each other often at the exact same rate, to my mind there isn't a company that has tried to leverage lower costs to gain market share other than maybe brunswick going on closeout at a much higher rate. It's brutally competitive, how many new releases do people need.
While I get people are frustrated that the balls will be made in Mexico but Brunswick brought certain assets that they thought could add value which were the rights to the brand and some intellectual property. Maybe someone will buy some other select assets of Ebonite including the factory, but my guess is Ebonite had large liabilities that would have to be assumed if Brunswick were to buy the corporation. Why not just buy the aspects you want or have flexibility with rather then unprofitable assets and liabilities including potential debts or legals claims.
EBI was a bit aggressive with their release schedule in managing 4 brands. In my opinion the EBI consumers would not have been upset for a more thought out relaxed release schedule like Storm does with Storm/RG. Storm and RG usually release complements across brands and at staggered times. EBI would release overlapping equipment and drop balls in all 4 brands at once. I don’t think the heads at EBI really truly had their heads in the game for years unfortunately.
EBI management had their heads up their rears for sure if couldn't turn a profit with way Hammer has been doing lately. Of course the C-suite isn't the ones whose holidays are going to be brutal. Was bummed at first and posted some pretty harsh things on here initially but EBI was pretty hit or miss for me anyway. Life goes on. Brands still around for now and who knows maybe just as good eventually (ones that survive) but I won't be buying any time soon. Let you all test out the waters first. Glad I squirreled a BW Pink, GB2 and PH though (One Miracle and Ultra Heat as well but those probably meh, a Scout for giggles too).
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Alright more balls at cheap closeout. ;D
Sad but I was thinking the same!
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It's true...not everything I own is Made In America. However, when I can buy a made In America product instead of a foreign product, I will. Buy American when you can. The job you save may be your own.
Motiv all the way made in the USA.
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It's true...not everything I own is Made In America. However, when I can buy a made In America product instead of a foreign product, I will. Buy American when you can. The job you save may be your own.
Motiv all the way made in the USA.
Most people aren't realizing WHO is exactly making the balls for Brunswick.
Yes, they are made in Mexico. To be specific, Reynosa, Mexico, right across the river from McAllen, Texas, where nearly all of the employees live. So they live in the US, go across the river to the plant, and make the balls there, and return home when the day is done.
So if we are going to talk about American people with American jobs, no-one is looking at the devil in the details here in seeing that Americans are actually working the jobs that people assume that they aren't.
Dykstra's article does have some decent info in it, and may be worth a read for those who are taking things to the extreme as to who is doing what in Mexico.
Additionally, I seem to recall nearly the same thing happening roughly 20 years ago when Ebonite bought Hammer, and the Baltimore, SLC, and St. Louis plants were closed, and all the rage and anger that came from that; EBI came out a lot better on the other side of that. So while I get the vent and anger now, it may be bette to sit back and wait to see what happens.
That said, I do feel for those in Hopkinsville, and the regional reps.
BL.
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It's true...not everything I own is Made In America. However, when I can buy a made In America product instead of a foreign product, I will. Buy American when you can. The job you save may be your own.
Motiv all the way made in the USA.
Most people aren't realizing WHO is exactly making the balls for Brunswick.
Yes, they are made in Mexico. To be specific, Reynosa, Mexico, right across the river from McAllen, Texas, where nearly all of the employees live. So they live in the US, go across the river to the plant, and make the balls there, and return home when the day is done.
So if we are going to talk about American people with American jobs, no-one is looking at the devil in the details here in seeing that Americans are actually working the jobs that people assume that they aren't.
Dykstra's article does have some decent info in it, and may be worth a read for those who are taking things to the extreme as to who is doing what in Mexico.
Additionally, I seem to recall nearly the same thing happening roughly 20 years ago when Ebonite bought Hammer, and the Baltimore, SLC, and St. Louis plants were closed, and all the rage and anger that came from that; EBI came out a lot better on the other side of that. So while I get the vent and anger now, it may be bette to sit back and wait to see what happens.
That said, I do feel for those in Hopkinsville, and the regional reps.
BL.
Is there a source for this information? I could be wrong, but it seems highly unlikely that a country would allow non-citizens to cross the border daily to do manufacturing work their own citizens could do.
I doubt that manufacturing bowling balls would be considered highly skilled labor.
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It's true...not everything I own is Made In America. However, when I can buy a made In America product instead of a foreign product, I will. Buy American when you can. The job you save may be your own.
Motiv all the way made in the USA.
Most people aren't realizing WHO is exactly making the balls for Brunswick.
Yes, they are made in Mexico. To be specific, Reynosa, Mexico, right across the river from McAllen, Texas, where nearly all of the employees live. So they live in the US, go across the river to the plant, and make the balls there, and return home when the day is done.
So if we are going to talk about American people with American jobs, no-one is looking at the devil in the details here in seeing that Americans are actually working the jobs that people assume that they aren't.
Dykstra's article does have some decent info in it, and may be worth a read for those who are taking things to the extreme as to who is doing what in Mexico.
Additionally, I seem to recall nearly the same thing happening roughly 20 years ago when Ebonite bought Hammer, and the Baltimore, SLC, and St. Louis plants were closed, and all the rage and anger that came from that; EBI came out a lot better on the other side of that. So while I get the vent and anger now, it may be bette to sit back and wait to see what happens.
That said, I do feel for those in Hopkinsville, and the regional reps.
BL.
Is there a source for this information? I could be wrong, but it seems highly unlikely that a country would allow non-citizens to cross the border daily to do manufacturing work their own citizens could do.
I doubt that manufacturing bowling balls would be considered highly skilled labor.
The BJ article quoted above. Specifically:
Those employees Dykstra is open to bringing aboard from EBI would fill U.S-based positions.
"Brunswick's got well over 200 people that are in the U.S., and we're going to continually expand upon that number," Dykstra said, a number that includes some who work at the Mexico plant, which is located just across the border from McAllen, Texas — employees living in McAllen but commuting to Mexico each day to work there.
So the workers there are Yanks, commuting to Mexico to work.
BL.
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It's true...not everything I own is Made In America. However, when I can buy a made In America product instead of a foreign product, I will. Buy American when you can. The job you save may be your own.
Motiv all the way made in the USA.
Most people aren't realizing WHO is exactly making the balls for Brunswick.
Yes, they are made in Mexico. To be specific, Reynosa, Mexico, right across the river from McAllen, Texas, where nearly all of the employees live. So they live in the US, go across the river to the plant, and make the balls there, and return home when the day is done.
So if we are going to talk about American people with American jobs, no-one is looking at the devil in the details here in seeing that Americans are actually working the jobs that people assume that they aren't.
Dykstra's article does have some decent info in it, and may be worth a read for those who are taking things to the extreme as to who is doing what in Mexico.
Additionally, I seem to recall nearly the same thing happening roughly 20 years ago when Ebonite bought Hammer, and the Baltimore, SLC, and St. Louis plants were closed, and all the rage and anger that came from that; EBI came out a lot better on the other side of that. So while I get the vent and anger now, it may be bette to sit back and wait to see what happens.
That said, I do feel for those in Hopkinsville, and the regional reps.
BL.
Well, what the article with Dykstra actually said was:
"Brunswick's got well over 200 people that are in the U.S., and we're going to continually expand upon that number," Dykstra said, a number that includes some who work at the Mexico plant, which is located just across the border from McAllen, Texas — employees living in McAllen but commuting to Mexico each day to work there.
Would be interesting to know the actual numbers instead of "most of" versus "some."
The Reynosa plant also makes boats and other products.
I find it interesting because the Brunswick wiki page says that Brunswick got out of the bowling game in 2015.
Brunswick completed its exit from the bowling business in May 2015 with the sale of its bowling equipment and products division to BlueArc Capital Management, a private investment firm based in Atlanta, GA. BlueArc completed the acquisition with investments from Gladstone Investment Corporation, a publicly traded business development company in McLean, Virginia, and Capitala Finance Corp., a business development company in Charlotte, North Carolina. BlueArc continues to produce bowling balls under the Brunswick and DV8 brand names.
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Curious as to how the EBI products will change under Brunswick.
Dykstra underscored that Brunswick "bought the brands and the intellectual property associated with those brands. We did not buy the business. We did not buy the plant."
For Dykstra, the deal presents an exciting opportunity for Brunswick to not settle for slapping its own coverstocks and cores onto EBI balls, but instead to learn as much as possible from Ebonite and to make informed investments in technology that will position Brunswick to ensure differentiation between EBI-brand balls and Brunswick's DV8, Radical and Brunswick equipment.
"I am extremely confident that we're going to develop outstanding new technologies," Dykstra said. "We're going to continue to differentiate our products across seven brands as we do now across three ... The more you invest, the more technology you have, the more you can differentiate. It certainly becomes more complicated with seven brands, but we have the ability to do that."
Dykstra added that, "Our plants operate a little differently. It's urethane casting and polyester casting. We just have equipment that is a little different [from EBI's], so we'd certainly love to learn from them what they have learned from more than 50 years in manufacturing ... I'm hoping that if we put the right people in the room, we can learn from each other, and that creates some pretty outstanding new products."
Does "intellectual property" include the existing molds?
How did the cores differ between the existing products?
I don't think I've followed the bowling industry since I stopped bowling almost 10 years, so I'm really far out of the loop. :)
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It's true...not everything I own is Made In America. However, when I can buy a made In America product instead of a foreign product, I will. Buy American when you can. The job you save may be your own.
Motiv all the way made in the USA.
Most people aren't realizing WHO is exactly making the balls for Brunswick.
Yes, they are made in Mexico. To be specific, Reynosa, Mexico, right across the river from McAllen, Texas, where nearly all of the employees live. So they live in the US, go across the river to the plant, and make the balls there, and return home when the day is done.
So if we are going to talk about American people with American jobs, no-one is looking at the devil in the details here in seeing that Americans are actually working the jobs that people assume that they aren't.
Dykstra's article does have some decent info in it, and may be worth a read for those who are taking things to the extreme as to who is doing what in Mexico.
Additionally, I seem to recall nearly the same thing happening roughly 20 years ago when Ebonite bought Hammer, and the Baltimore, SLC, and St. Louis plants were closed, and all the rage and anger that came from that; EBI came out a lot better on the other side of that. So while I get the vent and anger now, it may be bette to sit back and wait to see what happens.
That said, I do feel for those in Hopkinsville, and the regional reps.
BL.
Is there a source for this information? I could be wrong, but it seems highly unlikely that a country would allow non-citizens to cross the border daily to do manufacturing work their own citizens could do.
I doubt that manufacturing bowling balls would be considered highly skilled labor.
The BJ article quoted above. Specifically:
Those employees Dykstra is open to bringing aboard from EBI would fill U.S-based positions.
"Brunswick's got well over 200 people that are in the U.S., and we're going to continually expand upon that number," Dykstra said, a number that includes some who work at the Mexico plant, which is located just across the border from McAllen, Texas — employees living in McAllen but commuting to Mexico each day to work there.
So the workers there are Yanks, commuting to Mexico to work.
BL.
That is not what the article you referenced says. It says SOME. I can accept that maybe a few skilled positions like engineers or designers would be able to work in Mexico while still living in the U.S., but the line workers? I really doubt that.
Of course there are 200 plus Brunswick employees in the U.S. Sales, marketing, advertising type positions not directly involved in manufacturing wouldn't need to be in Mexico. But the line workers who make the balls, I would bet those guys are Mexican citizens.
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Those well paid factory workers traveling the 45-60 minutes from McAllen, TX to the Reynosa factory every day!
Wages in Manufacturing in Mexico remained unchanged at 2.60 USD/Hour in July from 2.60 USD/Hour in June of 2019. Wages in Manufacturing in Mexico averaged 2.60 USD/Hour from 2007 until 2019, reaching an all time high of 3.80 USD/Hour in December of 2013 and a record low of 2 USD/Hour in January of 2017.
https://tradingeconomics.com/mexico/wages-in-manufacturing
A maquiladora is defined as a factory that imports materials and equipment on a duty-free and tariff-free basis for assembly or manufacturing and then re-exports the assembled product; usually back to the originating country. After 2006, the Government of Mexico chose to rename the Maquila decree to the INMEX program.
There are a total of 247 maquiladoras located in Matamoros and Reynosa with 174,000 employees. Reynosa and Matamoros have well-known firms with maquiladora operations, including TRW Automotive, LG, Jabil Circuit, Bissell, Maytag, Nokia, Panasonic, Delphi, Brunswick, Emerson and Black & Decker, just to name a few.
Wages and Benefits
The average wage and benefits package for the border region has a minimum wage of 49 pesos per day, however the average starting wage for most maquiladora workers is 110 pesos per day. Employees work a 48 hour work week and receive a full day pay on Sunday. Employees can expect a 20% increase after 6 months of employment. The benefits package includes:
* Socialized medical system to which every employer must contribute
* Social Security, severance pay, paid holidays, mandatory bonuses and child care.
* The wage for unskilled laborers working in a maquiladora is $2.30 taking into consideration all the cash and non-cash fringe benefits.
https://harlingenedc.com/economic-development/international-opportunity/maquiladoras/
110 pesos = $5.69 PER DAY.
https://www.facebook.com/Brunswick-compañÃas-de-Mexico-125706371184428/
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If U.S. citizens are working the line making bowling balls in Mexico, they are grossly underpaid. They would make triple the money at Wal-Mart and that's saying something.
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
The last truly innovative must have Ebonite ball was The One and that was a long time ago. Columbia is in the same boat as Brunswick and DV8 for me, non factors. If I had to throw that stuff I simply would not bowl.
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The new Prisms from B look pretty good; the Conspiracy line from Radical is very good too, as is the Zing. Purchased the Conspiracy Pearl and a Zing, which are the first B purchased in a really long time.
Threw the Hero (recovery!) in a demo day, as well as the Vintage Vapor Zone (smoooooth) and liked them both. Some of the others, not so much.
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
Built it with discarded Jackals ?
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
Built it with discarded Jackals ?
no, money from making Brunswick cores. It's amazing how 1 company couldn't survive in the area but another was able to buy the old machines and get to work right down the street. 10 years later and going strong in Muskegon. Heh, who knew a bowling company could stay profitable 10 years later paying American salaries...
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
Built it with discarded Jackals ?
no, money from making Brunswick cores. It's amazing how 1 company couldn't survive in the area but another was able to buy the old machines and get to work right down the street. 10 years later and going strong in Muskegon. Heh, who knew a bowling company could stay profitable 10 years later paying American salaries...
One company survived there for decades. Business is more then just surviving. Moving production and building a new state of the art facility is more then surviving. Buying out four brands is more then surviving. Recalling two high performance bowling balls and almost going out of business because of old equipment is trying to get by and survive. Bowling is shrinking. Surviving just got harder
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
Built it with discarded Jackals ?
no, money from making Brunswick cores. It's amazing how 1 company couldn't survive in the area but another was able to buy the old machines and get to work right down the street. 10 years later and going strong in Muskegon. Heh, who knew a bowling company could stay profitable 10 years later paying American salaries...
One company survived there for decades. Business is more then just surviving. Moving production and building a new state of the art facility is more then surviving. Buying out four brands is more then surviving. Recalling two high performance bowling balls and almost going out of business because of old equipment is trying to get by and survive. Bowling is shrinking. Surviving just got harder
Brunswick was bought out in 2015. I wonder why? Was it for the same reasons EBI was just bought out?
Better yet, I raise you the recall of 2 bowling balls that you bring up. Did they replace every one with a new ball? And now,are they not a growing force in a shrinking market? Yeah, you can wear your B crown proudly Kidlost, but we all know the clearance section tells the story. B has littered it for years due to over production of unwanted equipment. Now, they will do that with 6 brands as opposed to 3, sans Hammer. Enjoy!
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So if I throw Storm/Roto/Global (I throw Global now?), does this make me one of those real Americans that the Hulk Hogan theme song alluded to? :P
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I'm just over here sipping on my tea.
Honey Badger Extremes wwrd is 12/4! Get you one!
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
No doubt Motiv makes a good product, but their market share can't be that high, albeit I don't have that data.
And speaking of innovation, Storm bowling, they just recycle cores and covers. Not bashing them cause again they make a good product also. EBI has made some GREAT bowling balls in the last few years (Rhodman Pearl, Paradox Black, Black Chaos, Gamebreakers, Web Tour, Purple Urethane) just to name a couple of the greats.
The fact of the matter is bowling is in a decline, and has been for many many years. I'm interested to see what Brunswick does with all of the brands, they seem committed to success. And the Mexico thing is a non factor in my opinion. They produce some really good stuff out of there.
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
I'm no brand hyper since I throw whatever works for me, but Track has truly come out with a lot of innovative stuff lately!!
Just because YOU don't know about it doesn't mean it is irrelevant! Their Paradox line is superior to a lot of other balls on the market right now, in my opinion! The only manufacturer I'm aware of that has a ball that can give a similar motion to a Paradox is one by the Global folks!
I also own a couple of Logix, of which I have seen no one else throw, and these balls give me a look, no other company has as well!
I love their Triton Elite as well, but hey, that's just me!
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
I'm no brand hyper since I throw whatever works for me, but Track has truly come out with a lot of innovative stuff lately!!
Just because YOU don't know about it doesn't mean it is irrelevant! Their Paradox line is superior to a lot of other balls on the market right now, in my opinion! The only manufacturer I'm aware of that has a ball that can give a similar motion to a Paradox is one by the Global folks!
I also own a couple of Logix, of which I have seen no one else throw, and these balls give me a look, no other company has as well!
I love their Triton Elite as well, but hey, that's just me!
Is tempting to grab a Tundra. If didn't have a ton of dry lane stuff already probably would. Do have an Ultra Heat going to punch up at some point. Track really did fly under the radar in the EBI umbrella.
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
Built it with discarded Jackals ?
no, money from making Brunswick cores. It's amazing how 1 company couldn't survive in the area but another was able to buy the old machines and get to work right down the street. 10 years later and going strong in Muskegon. Heh, who knew a bowling company could stay profitable 10 years later paying American salaries...
One company survived there for decades. Business is more then just surviving. Moving production and building a new state of the art facility is more then surviving. Buying out four brands is more then surviving. Recalling two high performance bowling balls and almost going out of business because of old equipment is trying to get by and survive. Bowling is shrinking. Surviving just got harder
Brunswick was bought out in 2015. I wonder why? Was it for the same reasons EBI was just bought out?
Better yet, I raise you the recall of 2 bowling balls that you bring up. Did they replace every one with a new ball? And now,are they not a growing force in a shrinking market? Yeah, you can wear your B crown proudly Kidlost, but we all know the clearance section tells the story. B has littered it for years due to over production of unwanted equipment. Now, they will do that with 6 brands as opposed to 3, sans Hammer. Enjoy!
Are they a growing force in a shrinking market? Ive not seen growth. Ive seen it from Storm/Roto expanding into amf/global and then into Mexico for production of their product. Ive not seen anything to show growth personally from motiv. I dont know anything about their sales numbers. I do know my bags and closet are full of Ebi stuff which is now under my Brunswick crown. I do know all of the great ebi xouts ive enjoyed over the last 4 years are gone now under the Brunswick crown. The overseas stuff ive been buying will be gone too. Hope motiv keeps expanding. I dont throw it and dont see that changing anytime soon.
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You aren't offending anyone by not throwing a certain company. Enjoy your blems. You will have even more to choose from in the near future.
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Is it my imagination, or did Ebi seem to loose its Mojo ever since Ron Hickland left?
Track. Columbia. Ebi.... so sad. Quick, name 5 innovative balls from these lines that anyone uses these days (no fair using recycled names like Heat or Chaos). You just can't.... and heck, Hammer still living off the Black Widow, Vibe, and Purple Urethane.
Motiv rose from the ashes of the old Brusnwick factory. Hopefully this brings them more USA-business. They really make some fine product.
And who knows, maybe another niche product will rise from the ashes once again. Phoenix Bowling!
Going to stay out of a brand sniping war but Motiv did build their own factory in Michigan. You probably knew this but I didn't until recently.
Built it with discarded Jackals ?
no, money from making Brunswick cores. It's amazing how 1 company couldn't survive in the area but another was able to buy the old machines and get to work right down the street. 10 years later and going strong in Muskegon. Heh, who knew a bowling company could stay profitable 10 years later paying American salaries...
One company survived there for decades. Business is more then just surviving. Moving production and building a new state of the art facility is more then surviving. Buying out four brands is more then surviving. Recalling two high performance bowling balls and almost going out of business because of old equipment is trying to get by and survive. Bowling is shrinking. Surviving just got harder
Brunswick was bought out in 2015. I wonder why? Was it for the same reasons EBI was just bought out?
Better yet, I raise you the recall of 2 bowling balls that you bring up. Did they replace every one with a new ball? And now,are they not a growing force in a shrinking market? Yeah, you can wear your B crown proudly Kidlost, but we all know the clearance section tells the story. B has littered it for years due to over production of unwanted equipment. Now, they will do that with 6 brands as opposed to 3, sans Hammer. Enjoy!
Wrecked.........
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So if I throw Storm/Roto/Global (I throw Global now?), does this make me one of those real Americans that the Hulk Hogan theme song alluded to? :P
Let me tell you something brother (rips off Hulkamania shirt)
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So if I throw Storm/Roto/Global (I throw Global now?), does this make me one of those real Americans that the Hulk Hogan theme song alluded to? :P
Let me tell you something brother (rips off Hulkamania shirt)
Isn't some of Storms spare balls made by, "The Brunswick"???
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Isn't some of Storms spare balls made by, "The Brunswick"???
The Tropical Surge is. I believe the Mix balls are made overseas. Not sure about the polyester options.
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You aren't offending anyone by not throwing a certain company. Enjoy your blems. You will have even more to choose from in the near future.
Im not trying to offend anyone over not using a brand. Didn't like the reaction. Brunswick has the fewest number of blems. As stated earlier they will not be available from the Ebi brands going forward like they were when made in Kentucky.
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Isn't some of Storms spare balls made by, "The Brunswick"???
The Tropical Surge is. I believe the Mix balls are made overseas. Not sure about the polyester options.
The Ice Storm and Tropical Surge are poured by Brunswick, unless something very recently has changed. They carry the same label "designed in the USA made in Mexico" as the others manufactured in that plant.
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Isn't some of Storms spare balls made by, "The Brunswick"???
The Tropical Surge is. I believe the Mix balls are made overseas. Not sure about the polyester options.
The Ice Storm and Tropical Surge are poured by Brunswick, unless something very recently has changed. They carry the same label "designed in the USA made in Mexico" as the others manufactured in that plant.
Blasphemy. Oh wait just business as usual.
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Go Motiv. Get Motivated. 100% Made in the USA.
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You aren't offending anyone by not throwing a certain company. Enjoy your blems. You will have even more to choose from in the near future.
Im not trying to offend anyone over not using a brand. Didn't like the reaction. Brunswick has the fewest number of blems. As stated earlier they will not be available from the Ebi brands going forward like they were when made in Kentucky.
Is there a source for this? Or just an assumption from a Brunswick fan?
Now that I think about it, I can't remember seeing a Motiv blem or factory 2nd. No doubt they have them, but I have not seen any.
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Im not trying to offend anyone over not using a brand. Didn't like the reaction. Brunswick has the fewest number of blems. As stated earlier they will not be available from the Ebi brands going forward like they were when made in Kentucky.
Brunswick has plenty of blems. I currently have 3 Brunswick blems; a 2nd quality Vintage Danger Zone, a blem DV8 Pitbull, and a blem Radical Ridiculous. Brunswick blems are regularly available on eBay.
As production of the Ebonite brands ramps up in Mexico, there will be plenty of blem/2nd quality balls available.
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You aren't offending anyone by not throwing a certain company. Enjoy your blems. You will have even more to choose from in the near future.
Im not trying to offend anyone over not using a brand. Didn't like the reaction. Brunswick has the fewest number of blems. As stated earlier they will not be available from the Ebi brands going forward like they were when made in Kentucky.
Is there a source for this? Or just an assumption from a Brunswick fan?
Now that I think about it, I can't remember seeing a Motiv blem or factory 2nd. No doubt they have them, but I have not seen any.
Was told 70 to 80 a month. Yes ive seen them on ebay from one seller. Of the ebi brands they are easily found on ebay, distributors, and bowling.com That was a lot.
My only concern going forward is on the coverstocks. I love the reaction I get from the ebi brands on the skid snap side of equipment. Got a few more ebi balls to pickup to set back for later
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Go Motiv. Get Motivated. 100% Made in the USA.
Only company that can say that.
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I don't buy Motiv equipment because of "100% made in the USA"; even though that is a very good reason.
I have tried just about every brand out there. And there are a few balls that are special. However, I buy mostly Motiv simply because they work for me. I LOVE their equipment and the 100% USA is an extra bonus.
I personally will be thinking and praying tomorrow for the 170 employees of EBI who lost their jobs in Michigan. Hope all who love bowling will say a prayer for them tomorrow and hope they find another good job soon. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you on BR.
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My only concern going forward is on the coverstocks. I love the reaction I get from the ebi brands on the skid snap side of equipment. Got a few more ebi balls to pickup to set back for later
I'm mostly an EBI guy, but over the past 2 months I bought many of the new Brunswick/DV8/Radical releases. The Prism Hybrid does great on the skid/snap side of the ledger. Overall I'm liking the Brunswick coverstocks.
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Go Motiv. Get Motivated. 100% Made in the USA.
Only company that can say that.
Ummm, correction
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Go Motiv. Get Motivated. 100% Made in the USA.
Only company that can say that.
Ummm, correction
This include spare balls? (edit: well look at that looks like it does for 900 as well) Guess that partially explains why those sniper balls are so pricey. Probably going to mostly prefer USA made stuff going forward (love Motiv also) but more than likely won't pay double for a spare ball unless has a real dynamic core.
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I bought a few DV8’s last year and just sold them. Nothing special. probably go Storm/global in the future unless the EBrunswick stuff acts like the EBI of late. Only time will tell
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I don't buy Motiv equipment because of "100% made in the USA"; even though that is a very good reason.
I have tried just about every brand out there. And there are a few balls that are special. However, I buy mostly Motiv simply because they work for me. I LOVE their equipment and the 100% USA is an extra bonus.
I personally will be thinking and praying tomorrow for the 170 employees of EBI who lost their jobs in Michigan. Hope all who love bowling will say a prayer for them tomorrow and hope they find another good job soon. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you on BR.
Tell me, please, what exactly will these “prayers†you speak of do? Make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
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I personally will be thinking and praying tomorrow for the 170 employees of EBI who lost their jobs in Michigan.
Lost their jobs in KY...
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Go Motiv. Get Motivated. 100% Made in the USA.
Only company that can say that.
Ummm, correction
This include spare balls? (edit: well look at that looks like it does for 900 as well) Guess that partially explains why those sniper balls are so pricey. Probably going to mostly prefer USA made stuff going forward (love Motiv also) but more than likely won't pay double for a spare ball unless has a real dynamic core.
Motiv's current Sniper's are polythane. They aren't plastic so durability isn't an issue. They are low end urethane, thus the few extra bucks for them.
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Oh ok makes sense like the Hammer Tough then. Didn't know that. Pretty happy with my Pathogen Blue Dot but kind of wondered about that in past.
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My mistake. Kentucky not Michigan.
northface28....what is your problem?? Apparently you have no feelings for those who have lost their jobs. Only a person with a cold heart could post what you posted in response to my wanting tomorrow on Thanksgiving to express thanks for everything that's good in my life and to wish/pray that those at EBI who have lost their jobs to hopefully find a good job to replace the job they recently lost.
If you can't understand that on Thanksgiving when were suppose to give thanks, then I feel sorry for someone like you.
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My mistake. Kentucky not Michigan.
northface28....what is your problem?? Apparently you have no feelings for those who have lost their jobs. Only a person with a cold heart could post what you posted in response to my wanting tomorrow on Thanksgiving to express thanks for everything that's good in my life and to wish/pray that those at EBI who have lost their jobs to hopefully find a good job to replace the job they recently lost.
If you can't understand that on Thanksgiving when were suppose to give thanks, then I feel sorry for someone like you.
I agree with you brother.
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My mistake. Kentucky not Michigan.
northface28....what is your problem?? Apparently you have no feelings for those who have lost their jobs. Only a person with a cold heart could post what you posted in response to my wanting tomorrow on Thanksgiving to express thanks for everything that's good in my life and to wish/pray that those at EBI who have lost their jobs to hopefully find a good job to replace the job they recently lost.
If you can't understand that on Thanksgiving when were suppose to give thanks, then I feel sorry for someone like you.
Thanks, however, you still didn’t answer my question. You sound like the typical American who “gives thanks†on a day designed to push cultural propaganda.
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Kool-Aid anyone!
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Bowlaholic, you got that right.... SMH
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I too do not, nor did I ever, say a prayer for anything. Saving jobs, like anything else, requires human intervention. However, in defense of Bowlaholic, I didn't interpret his post as being indifferent in any way to those who lost their jobs in Hopkinsville, Ky. The only thing that I might disagree with in his post is that he believes that balls made in the U.S. is a "bonus". As I had stated previously, I try to buy only American-made products when possible. This is my "prayer".
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Well, where is everyone now! When everyone heard EBI got bought by Brunswick it was death to those brands.7 pages on this topic.I waited a few days to post.Ask bill O'neil what he thinks.Geez not one mention about Redemption.Looked just as good as anything he's thrown.Glad to see him win with a NEW BRUNSWICK poured HAMMER.
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Rolled well for him but I’m still loving all my Hyroads.
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I normally don't really care how a ball looks, but that ball is ugly. It won him a major though.
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Amazing how the PBA players can switch and not miss a beat.
Im guessing we are still a ways out on seeing some of the ebi cores carry over. Id assume the vibe, black widow and LED used in the urethane cores from hammer, the one, v2 or GB core from ebi, kinnetic and paradox from track and id guess the resurgence from columbia.
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I’m not at all a Brunswick guy though I have thrown them in the past, but if they put the Vibe core in the same cover as the Anaconda was......oh my.
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The AVP and BVP covers were great. A rre-release with updated cores would get me interested.
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Vibe core with pearl activator would seem to be a great combination.
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Scandal core with PK18.