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Tarasevich

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Mexican Production
« on: January 21, 2007, 01:06:49 PM »
Although they managed to limit their layoffs to only a third of the Michigan workforce, this is a sad event.

I currently don't throw Brunswick, but have in the past.  My Wine Rhino, Rhino Gold Pearl, and Grizz were all great American made balls.  The Brunswick corporation has seen recalls and quality problems as a result of some of their other divisions' production centres currently located in Mexico.  Already, arrival of their new viz-a-balls will be delayed to may distributors by several months as a result of their relocation efforts.

Although brunswick is not, thankfully, outsourcing its sales and support stucture to India or otherwise off shore, the bowling community is going to be drastically impacted by these changes.  Brunswick is not the only brand of balls that they manufacture, as many of us are aware.

While we are in a strong economy with low unemployment (actually below frictional unemployment of 5% which is considered acceptable), the fact that many noin-residents account for many of these positions, while natural or naturalized citizens suffer.  My heart does go out for the great production team in Michigan.

This decision by Brunswick has already forced myself and others I know to no longer support Brunswick's centres or bowling and other recreational products now being shipped to Mexico.

My hopes are that the Big B finds a way to maintain qualiyt control and assurance of their once superior product.  Has this decision caused unease or boycott by any bowlers in your areas?

 

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 09:16:16 PM »
It's a non issue. We live in a small world. Many of the products we use are not manufactured in the US. Just as in the lane conditions debate.. everybody talks.. but in the end people aren't willing to do anything.

You can't fault Brunswick for their move. They run a business. They are in business to make money and it's more efficient for them to produce equipment in Mexico. So be it. They have to compete for your business just like everyone else. If enough people don't like that the equipment is made in Mexico to the extent that they won't buy the product then Brunswick will be forced to make a change. We all know this isn't going to happen because most people don't care.

Brunswick had issues when they first open the plant down there... that's probably pretty normal with any opening. They fixed the issues... things are fine.

Time to find something else to whine about.


Tarasevich

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 09:27:32 PM »
No whining here millworker.

Several of us made a decision.  Brunswick had a great center here, and I very much like the company.  With their quarterly earning beginning to suffer, they had to make a move.  The top two issues here are #1 - ouutsourcing, and #2 - Quality.  I am sure Brunswick has reacted to their problems appropriately and on time arrivals should improve later this year, but these issues affect all of the pro-shop owners out there who alreayd have it tough in many cases.  Rather than speaking from a patriotic high-horse, I am just researching on this board to see if others out there have similar experiences.  I wish Brunswick the best, and certainly their marketing team must have accounted for certain patron attrition after their move when they made risk assessments of how to fix their declines in revenue.  My interest is only in how this decision weighed on the minds of the general bowler, and the Brunswick loyalists as well.

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 09:48:04 PM »
have to agree here with the above.  Brunswick ball qlty has suffered I can tell you this.  I have seen several balls (new) by brunswick crack randomly before even being drilled.  Odd since this balls are in a proshop.  Second is dexter, with the qlty of their line decreasing it is sad.  I have a pair of dexters from seven years ago that are as good as new.  Compare them to my new one's who have already have a seperated heel, dry rotted toe and one shoe tongue come out.  Pretty sad.  

  Makes you wonder why your paying almost two hundred for that new ball or pair of shoes that could just be worth only five cents.

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 10:12:23 PM »
The thing that kills me about this whole situation is how so many of you decide to jump on the bandwagon, as well as blow things so far out of proportion. Brunswick does not outsource there product, it is owned and operated by Brunswick. When you say a third of the workforce, I believe that is false. There were less than a hundred that lost there jobs. If the union had not over-valued there product this would not have happened. Yes we all know that there has been quality issues but cracking before they are drilled...REALLY? Brunswick has responded by answering every post and/or questions and still those that have had issues for years love to HAMMER this home. Storm has had quality issues for years with cracking. Ebonite covers are known for lasting about 50 games and can't be rejuvenated. Columbia covers are just bad. I will bet there is not a manufacturing plant in the bowling industry that doesn't have some sort of illegal ALIEN working there.
So you guys will no longer support there products, so you will only bowl in an AMF house? Brunswick makes AMF parts. So you really have no OPTIONS, eh?
Also I think this is very hypocritical as EVERY other bowling product, as in bags and shoes are made outside the US and not in North America.
Please give this a rest as it really gets old. Get a hard on for something else.
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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 10:12:25 PM »
Thanks.  That is exactly what many of us have seen.

Not just $20 though.  The Elite brand being manufactured by Brunswick are/were routinely sold from $199.00 - $379.00.  What other BRunswick brands have already seen product conerns?  Viz-a-ball is also a grave concern, as it is the premiere introductort ball for a veyr impressionable age group.  This impacts the future of bowling.  How many kids will quit not return to their Brunswick Superman, Shrek III, Warner Bros. etc... leagues the next season because their ball never arrived until well after the season ended, and summer is upon them leaving Bowling a distant memory?  How many may never return?  Then, many may never take a friend bowling?  The White dots, Maxims, and $20 balls I threw as a kid were great, but Bowling was different then, the world was different then.  Kids have more distractions, more options.  Soccer was not a routine activity for kids that young 25 years ago, neither was ice hockey or skiiing.  Baseball was in the summer, and your 9:00 a.m. league on Saturday never inerfered, and was something to look forward to.

Brunswick is an excellent company.  But their quality issues, and regrettable decision to outsource their most American of products, really hit home for the 17 of us who left the center and their demographic permanently.  If Manufacturing af major US automobiles left Detroit for the same reasons, would those companies expect to retain their customer base?  Bowling is not just an American Sport, but Brunswick was a great American ball, which is becoming a mediocre and unreliable Central American ball.  

I love bowling and America, an institution that was never as blue-collar stereotypical as others protest, but the most accepting sport off all people of all classes and races for a lot longer than many other pasttimes.  Importing our equipment from foreign soil and negatively impacting the lives of more than 100 Americans who have certainly ensured my success on the lanes in the past is unacceptable.  These posts are for them and for all others who I have seen hurt by the paradigm shift to a service economy we have suffered through since the mid 1980s.  This is an issue that is emotional on many levels.  Brunswick has intentionally hurt America again, and bowling this time by their actions.

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 10:32:06 PM »
QUIT saying that Brunswick is outsourcing there bowling ball manufacturing...THEY OWN THE PLANT AND OPERATE IT.
Also, how many automobiles are still made in Detroit? Try the rest of the world.
If Brunswick had decided to close it's manufacturing all together, how do you think that would have impacted bowling? Many of the out of work employees received severance packages.

Brunswick has not hurt bowling. The ABC/USBC has hurt bowling. If Brunswick had not got into the bowling industry over 100 years ago, there very well could have not been an industry as there is today.

You make it seem so easy and they (Brunswick) have created such heirasy.
There is not a single bowling ball manufacturer in the world that makes a profit. And in a decreasing market, they may be one or two less manufacturers in the future.

Brunswick did what they felt was necessary to stay in the bowling business. Look in the mirror when taking these stances. Look at things that YOU do have OPTIONS in when buying.
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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 11:27:27 PM »
I dont think that is what T is saying.  I think simply that it is like american made cars.  Ford simply can't make a reliable car anymore.  When is the last time you have seen a ford go 100,000 miles before a problem has occured.  Simply put in this situation your paying people in another country to make the same product, using the same ingredients, but people dont always intepret the directions the same.  

It is just that simple.  Honda for example makes an engine that runs past 100,000 miles but is it because of the company name or is it because the can produce a quality vehicle.  Brunswick can make qlty products it is just how they are made and by whom.  You pay what you get.  If you pay someone 3 dollars your going to get 3 dollars of effort.  Simple

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 12:19:15 AM »
I am a Big B fan, recently I started to learn spanish and planing to move to Mexico.
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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 05:40:34 AM »
You are sitting here reaming on Brunswick. Do you live in Michigan??? Well I do and it is not just brunswick that has made the move. You mention the auto industry. G.M. alone has 3 plants down in mexico while closing plants in Michigan. Delphi a company that primerly made parts for G.M. is closing all but 3 out of 16 plants.  We listen to the news here and we are lucky if we go a day with out hearing about more people losing their Jobs. I have an degree in Product Design Engineering and yet our econmy is so bad here I working as regular factory worker til I can find a new Job.

So instead of blaming just Brunswick. Take notice that it is just about every industry looking at this option.

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 05:58:36 AM »
I will still support Big B.

I sometimes wonder why some of the laid off employees have not made posts on this site. It would be cool to hear their side of the story.
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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 06:51:08 AM »
Could this be a bigger decap topic than any other???

The fact holds true.  Yes, Brunswick in in Mexico.  Many other companies in the US produce products other places.  Yes, Brunswick is having some production issues right now.  Find me a company that builds a brand new plant that wouldn't have issues in the beginning.  

Get with it Tar.  Just about everything in the world has some part that is built in another country.  You better start boycotting just about everything else you use too.  

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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2007, 08:03:02 AM »
Lane1Bowler

First of all, thank you for telling me I am out of my mind. If that is the worst you can say about me, well, I will manage.

Lane #1 is NOT a manufacturer, they are a customer of Columbia and previously one of Brunswick.
The only reason why Lane #1 could make a profit is they over price there product and dupe customers into believing they have some superior product. But that's another subject.

All manufacturers raised there prices due to the rising price of petroleum, plain and simple. And yes Brunswick is in business, as is all other companies, to make a profit.

Do you have any clue what the union workers were being paid? I believe I do and they were overpaid for what they were doing. It was not skilled labor. And you are going to tell me that the cost of living in Michigan was that high to warrant what they were being paid?

So you are saying that the industry will follow Lane #1 and there pricing structure? I doubt it. There are many areas that do not support Lane #1 or Elite because of there overflated product.

What was ignorant about my statement referring to Columbia covers? They are horrible and it shows in there sales. Moronic...again thank you.

So you are saying if a plant has illegal aliens it is okay because they are in the US? That's support. Actually it's hypocritical.

So no matter how Brunswick would have handled closing the plant would have sufficed to you even if they would have moved the plant anywhere else in the US? This would have happened if the plant were closed and moved to say Syracuse.

I was not attacking just pointing out the battles certain individuals choose to fight. You feel strong enough to debate me in an attacking manner. What is redundant about my retort?
I was voicing my opinion as was he and is you. This topic is redundant.

So it is okay for him to point out his views but not okay for me to? That is usually the way it goes, if you do not agree with me, I do not want to hear it, so please go along with my views, because I am right and you are wrong.

The reason why the economy is failing, as you put it, is because of Americans views of there self worth. You are among those (apparently) that feel there is an automatic owe those something. No one is owed anything for merely being there. That is why our economy is in the shape it is, no other reason. Instead of doing, you expect.

You have your opinionated views as do I. Each feel strongly about our views and there is nothing wrong with that. So if I may be moronic, then so be it, but I believe you to be right along side.
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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2007, 08:04:04 AM »
Everyone:

Thank you for your responses.  Indeed I do buy alternatives made in the USA, and hopefully by American citizens. Indeed, I also buy locally and try to influence an economy of scale. The solution is in our hands, and patronizing companies that routinely contribute to the suffering of Americans only worsens that problem.  Do we have preferences?  Yes, buy a VW or a Toyota.  Hell, buy a Honda, it was probably made in the USA.  Can you buy a DVD player that was made in the USA? A Television?  Much clothing? (Well, that one you can do somewhat easily).  

Shepd1999, I am all too familiar with the situations in Portage, Detroit, Mattawan, and just about every other part of Michigan.  I have many friends suffer the fate of the American production worker having their decades long expertise in a craft eliminated permanently as their companies either closed, or outsourced their job to foreign soil either by contracting with an experienced foreign producer, or building overseas, eitherway removing that cashflow from our economy. Michigan is a beautiful state.  Hang in there, I hope you find work in your field soon.

My point is that every little bit helps.   I am not organizing a boycott of Brunswick.  Nor did we here.  This was a mutual consensus of fellow brunswick consumers.  There may have been some following, but not with any coersion or coaxing.  Like all of us, we had a choice.  And we chose to buy American.  


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Re: Mexican Production
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2007, 08:57:51 AM »
from what i know... the people who work in the factory are still american workers.  i was told that the factory is only 6 miles from the border, and was built there because it had the humidity control and cheap land the brunswick wanted. It wasnt all about moving to get cheap labor, there were other key elements in the building of the factory.
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