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LuckyLefty

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I've had one or two trades with guys under 19 that have come off.

What I've experienced in general though is about a 98% failure rate in successful trades with guys under 19.

To contrast recently I did 6 trades, 4 were with guys I guess as 28 to 55.
2 with guys under 19.

The trades with guys over 28 went like this.
One or two emails with specs or pictures, a paypal, and or a shipping # each way in one or two days and a ball arrived within 5 business days exactly as described!

What I got on my other two trades with guys under 19 is no balls, over 30 emails in each trade and a lot of aggravation.

Oh why don't I have the name of the second guy in this post.
The first guy is not_enough_carry203.

WELL I DID SOMETHING WRONG TOO!  So I won't mention the guys name!

See in the second trade I was sending out 6 balls that day and for one of the trades I sent out a ball I hadn't looked at in about 6 months and it DID not match my description.
I said two drills and instead it had 3 thumbholes.  ME BAD.

However this trade is what I call the Ball INspection trade!

Me selling older ball and wanting minor cash for a good working older ball.
He wanting this older ball he said and I verified two drillings on ball.
I was not correct.

Against my better judgement I agreed to take a Better ball, or newer with less games and a single drilling instead of cash.

The other younger party said I really would rather trade than send cash.  At no time did we discuss drill patterns.  Just sort of traded blindly as I figured if his didn't fit it was righty single drill and I could sell.

He replied to me his parents had had some bad experiences trading stuff on internet so therefore he was going to have me send the ball to HIM and he would inspect and then send ball to me if ball met his inspection.

I replied it was not done that way and that we would both send to each other and exchange shipping numbers and he agreed.

Day came I shipped and sent tracking #.  He got tied up, it slipped his mind, no one could get to shipping center, you know!

Anyway SURPRISE his ball never showed up!  SURPRISE.  Then he got my ball and discovered a third thumbhole.  Me surprised but still admit badness!  Anyway the trade was never fair.  Always in my favor if done but what I really wanted was cash!

Anyway, it turns out that the problem is not the three drillings but the only way to drill and not get track in swithching to righty from lefty is kicking the cg out.  This is a pattern that doesn't work for him.  OH boy!

So anyway he replies that he will ship agreed on ball(his ball) out to me and is pissed and will never trade on ballreviews again.  Bad luck on other trades too!

I reply I can send money as I did make a mistake, and frankly the ball is great just try it!  OR send my ball back to me. No he is sending the agreed ball and he doesn't want anything. BUT WILL never trade on ballreviews again!

WE agree on when ball will be sent and I wait.  NO ball, and no return of my ball. (Two times now he's agreed to send ball).

Anyway after almost two weeks I email and he said father has sent my ball back and I should have!   I don't!

Anyway here I am, my ball not back, enjoying another trading experience with one of our 19 year old and under traders!

Again I do state I am NOT blameless on this trade gone bad.

Somehow I think even if ball only had the promised two thumb holes.  I'd still be getting my ball back(as pattern would have caused right hand kick out), and I would have been involved in what I now call.

"THE BALL INSPECTION TRADE".

Lessons learned.
1. Inspect balls you ship and make sure they are EXACTLY as described.  Trading too many in one week caused my carelessness.
2. Stop trading with people under 19, (I broke this rule).
3. Always get description and give them EVEN if not asked for!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS note I did not name anyone as I would not name them because of my shared responsibility for this trade gone bad.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2004, 03:04:24 PM »
I stand by my comments.

Every deal with a person under 19 has been more difficult except one.

Even if ball comes fast amount of communication and waiting and arranging payment is always(98% of the time) more difficult.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS from someone who has probably bought and sold almost 200 bowling balls on this site over several years.
It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

LuckyLefty

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2004, 05:52:04 PM »
Again, it is the majority that give the minority a bad name.

I have the emails to prove it!

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Luckylefty
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2004, 06:01:18 PM »
I can speak for King, He is a good, honest kid that will do what it takes to get the job done. I know him personally. And if he screws up, I will personally go beat the crap out of him......LoL


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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2004, 06:02:55 AM »
Rev-o pssst my b-day is in 2 weeks lol gonna hit the big 19er.

maybe in quebec or canada we young adults grow up with a little more responsiblity.


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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2004, 11:24:17 AM »
Can we please make a "Good minors to deal with list" or something, instead of you just telling people not to deal with minors?  Believe it or not, your words have a huge effect and people are thrown off immediately......I know you said there are exceptions, but since nobody really knows who goes on that list, it makes things difficult.

PS I think I'd be on that list too.
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2004, 11:45:27 AM »

I'll vouch for Bowling Dude 300. He's a first class guy to deal with.

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2004, 12:02:46 PM »
Thanks Brickguy, you were great too deal with too!

Maybe Andy's on to something here... We could make a post and keep it updated on a list of people under 19 that are good to deal with...


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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2004, 09:11:48 AM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=58914&ForumID=71&CategoryID=5

This what you're talking about, LL?  LOL
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2004, 10:23:19 AM »
Hey, not all of us under-19er's are bad to deal with.
I have about 25 successful trades.

WE TEENAGERS ARE JUST MISUNDERSTOOD, THAT'S ALL *sob*!! lol
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2004, 11:39:44 AM »
How about we just make a list....
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2004, 11:57:06 AM »
make a list for honorable people under 19 or people that are under 19, that are jerks?.... or maybe both.
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2004, 12:02:34 PM »
Just completed a trade with All Starbowling Joe, over 19.

Two emails, a paypal and the ball at my door by Monday after deal done on Thursday!!!

I love it!  Ahhhhhh what a relief.

Over and over and over this happens with guys in their 30s and up.

With guys under 20, fahget about it!

Just the way it is!

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Luckylefty
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2004, 12:04:47 PM »
Wow, your ignorance in this topic amazes me.......

"Just the way it is"........Sorry, buddy, it's been proven that is FALSE!
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LuckyLefty

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2004, 12:47:09 PM »
Ignorance? over 200 hundred trades and about 20 with minors where is the ignorance.  19 of em a pain!

Hey, I"ve had one trade with a minor that went as smooth as most of my adult trades.

Brunswick lefty there's the list so far.

Anyone that has traded with me that was a minor and I have not recognized you feel free to message me and tell me about the clean trade we had and I'll add you to this list. Tell me the ball also so I can refresh my memory.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS though I don't have my Webster's Ignorance is defined as not knowing and not trying to know.  I KNOW!
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2004, 12:50:06 PM »
my comment was in reference to your statement "Just the way it is"......

It's bad you've had bad experiences with minors, but I'm just upset you were saying nobody should deal with minors

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2. Stop trading with people under 19, (I broke this rule).


Seems there has been misunderstanding on both parts.
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