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LuckyLefty

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I've had one or two trades with guys under 19 that have come off.

What I've experienced in general though is about a 98% failure rate in successful trades with guys under 19.

To contrast recently I did 6 trades, 4 were with guys I guess as 28 to 55.
2 with guys under 19.

The trades with guys over 28 went like this.
One or two emails with specs or pictures, a paypal, and or a shipping # each way in one or two days and a ball arrived within 5 business days exactly as described!

What I got on my other two trades with guys under 19 is no balls, over 30 emails in each trade and a lot of aggravation.

Oh why don't I have the name of the second guy in this post.
The first guy is not_enough_carry203.

WELL I DID SOMETHING WRONG TOO!  So I won't mention the guys name!

See in the second trade I was sending out 6 balls that day and for one of the trades I sent out a ball I hadn't looked at in about 6 months and it DID not match my description.
I said two drills and instead it had 3 thumbholes.  ME BAD.

However this trade is what I call the Ball INspection trade!

Me selling older ball and wanting minor cash for a good working older ball.
He wanting this older ball he said and I verified two drillings on ball.
I was not correct.

Against my better judgement I agreed to take a Better ball, or newer with less games and a single drilling instead of cash.

The other younger party said I really would rather trade than send cash.  At no time did we discuss drill patterns.  Just sort of traded blindly as I figured if his didn't fit it was righty single drill and I could sell.

He replied to me his parents had had some bad experiences trading stuff on internet so therefore he was going to have me send the ball to HIM and he would inspect and then send ball to me if ball met his inspection.

I replied it was not done that way and that we would both send to each other and exchange shipping numbers and he agreed.

Day came I shipped and sent tracking #.  He got tied up, it slipped his mind, no one could get to shipping center, you know!

Anyway SURPRISE his ball never showed up!  SURPRISE.  Then he got my ball and discovered a third thumbhole.  Me surprised but still admit badness!  Anyway the trade was never fair.  Always in my favor if done but what I really wanted was cash!

Anyway, it turns out that the problem is not the three drillings but the only way to drill and not get track in swithching to righty from lefty is kicking the cg out.  This is a pattern that doesn't work for him.  OH boy!

So anyway he replies that he will ship agreed on ball(his ball) out to me and is pissed and will never trade on ballreviews again.  Bad luck on other trades too!

I reply I can send money as I did make a mistake, and frankly the ball is great just try it!  OR send my ball back to me. No he is sending the agreed ball and he doesn't want anything. BUT WILL never trade on ballreviews again!

WE agree on when ball will be sent and I wait.  NO ball, and no return of my ball. (Two times now he's agreed to send ball).

Anyway after almost two weeks I email and he said father has sent my ball back and I should have!   I don't!

Anyway here I am, my ball not back, enjoying another trading experience with one of our 19 year old and under traders!

Again I do state I am NOT blameless on this trade gone bad.

Somehow I think even if ball only had the promised two thumb holes.  I'd still be getting my ball back(as pattern would have caused right hand kick out), and I would have been involved in what I now call.

"THE BALL INSPECTION TRADE".

Lessons learned.
1. Inspect balls you ship and make sure they are EXACTLY as described.  Trading too many in one week caused my carelessness.
2. Stop trading with people under 19, (I broke this rule).
3. Always get description and give them EVEN if not asked for!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS note I did not name anyone as I would not name them because of my shared responsibility for this trade gone bad.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2004, 12:39:00 PM »
Brunswick Lefty

You are part of the 2 % club!

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Luckylefty
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2004, 12:42:06 PM »
every bad experience i've had on here has been with someone under 19!!!!

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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2004, 12:43:24 PM »
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And the bad name for teens continues to grow...

Edited on 7/5/2004 12:13 PM
*Shakes head* yep
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 12:52:16 PM »
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And the bad name for teens continues to grow...



There are ALWAYS exceptions.  PROBABLY King, JuniorPro, and BowlingKid25 would be on the EXCEPTION list with a few others.


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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 03:40:13 PM »
I know it greatly limits my options, but I really don't want to trade with anyone I don't "know" pretty well.  Regardless of age, I won't be sending any money to anyone who signed up here two days ago, or two weeks ago, or probably even two months ago.

I pretty much trust "the regulars", even most of the young ones, to follow through on a deal.  We all have invested so many friggin' hours here, who's going to risk getting his rep trashed over a few bucks or a used ball?

That said, I prefer to deal with people whose income is not dependent on whether or not he did his chores last week.  Daddy told me I can't ship you my ball doesn't work for me.

If you don't have 100% control over your end of the deal, don't make the deal.  And don't agree to pay $60 for a ball, when you have no money, but you're hoping the tooth fairy will leave it under your pillow tonight.
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 03:55:10 PM »
EXXXXACTLY!
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LuckyLefty

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2004, 12:02:48 PM »
I've been receiving communications occassionally from the parties on each of the above trades.

Each one of them leaves me more and more unhappy!

I'm hoping that after 5 weeks either my balls just show up and I can forget the whole thing.

I'm bound and determined to require a drivers license and an over 25 age requirement for all trades for myself to avoid this unhappiness. Like a rental car company.

Over 30 emails on each trade so far.  And 0 balls!

I so much prefer 3 to 4 emails and the balls in week!

Who has the time for all this BS!

Under 20 years olds that's who.

Not for my friend Brunswick lefty!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2004, 12:16:30 PM »
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And the bad name for teens continues to grow...


Yep. People always say that if you make your own bed, then you lay in it too. I know there are a few exceptions like Dude 300 whom was great to deal with and I'm sure King and BK25 are OK also, but the problem seems to be that the bad seems to out weigh the good.

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2004, 07:51:07 PM »
yeah, but yours was an HONEST mistake --- I might do the same thing if I was shipping out 6 balls in the same week...... No reason to hang you out to dry and make you wait --- that's totally unfair (No doubt the person you were trading with would scream R-A-P-E if they didnt see a ball in three days and the tables were turned on this trade)......Go figure.

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2004, 08:06:52 PM »
I'm starting to notice a pattern. So now no one want's my reviews becuase I don't own a pro shop (mainly becuase I'm only 15) AND no one will trade with me becuase of this post now (even though my ebay feedback is perfect and I manage my own trades 100%)


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smash9

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2004, 07:46:11 AM »
Malestrom --- Keep posting your reviews -- I read EVERYONE'S reviews and draw my own conclusions from the input -- there is no reason to discount you because of your age.  If you have a good track record on B/R and ebay, you are to to be congratulated...  The police are famous for "racial profiling" --- Unfortunately, because of a few bad apples in the under 19 set, you may be a victim of "age profiling" -- fortunately you have the b/r references and the track record on ebay to show people to offset that initial reluctance about doing biz w/you.
As for dealing with under 19's, I just did a deal w/Bowling Kid25 -- He already has the ball, and there is no reason for me not to believe that his payment will arrive any day.
P.S.  Insurance companies are tough on young drivers -- look at the outrageious premiums they pay -- but look at what some of those young drivers do once they get that license ---ouch!!!!

LuckyLefty

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2004, 01:18:11 AM »
Still miffed I don't have a Detour!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS other ball showed up yesterday, had gone to a neighbors that was out of town.
PPS despite too many plugs had a nifty little 268 with it in practice!  Still revving, slurvin and hittin.  Oh that Riot Zone!
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2004, 01:23:52 AM »
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD.....Smash9 received his payment
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Re: The ball inspection trade and guys under 19! And Lessons learned.
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2004, 12:53:40 PM »
Whoa, that 2% is pretty big..... haven't seen alot of that 98% of the "Bad, young Dealers" In fact... only a few I have seen are really that bad (that Matt guy comes to mind.) and that is only the odd person.

I say, that if someone has been posting for a while, then they would be less likely to rip someone off due to bad karma. But don't just go labeling all(or close to all) 19< people as being seedy jerks.
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