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mainzer

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Why so bad
« on: December 18, 2006, 02:48:12 AM »
To anyone that reads this why is Columbia considered to be so much worse than say Storm or Ebonite? I use a few Columbia balls to supplement my Morich stuff, when I need something mre mellow I turn to Columbia they make great equipment in my mind. Why does everyone think they suck?!
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2006, 10:56:57 AM »
It's not that they "suck", but they haven't been too creative with core designs over the past few years until the Bully line. Mostly, it's personal preference.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2006, 11:00:40 AM »
It's not that fact they suck it's just there balls roll different than what is selling today.  Everyone wants more length with strong back end motion and Columbia products roll early and strong.  I'm sure they are working on something new.  Check out the website something is coming in the new year.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 11:17:50 AM »
I don't see a lot of planning for many of their releases.  They don't seem to build lines around a particular core or cover like most of the other manufacturers, and it's hard for me, someone who tries to pay attention, to see where each ball fits.  There's not much that distinguishes the various lines, technology-wise (M80 is on both the mid- and high-end lines, the core in the Action series is found in a lot of other balls in other lines and has been around for quite a while, so "new" technology it isn't).

Brunswick puts Activator on its high-end balls.  You can tell what's high-end because it's got some kind of Activator and either the Inferno core or the Zone core.  The mid-priced line is built around the Bell core and PK18 (the only exception is the new Mammoth).  Track's high-end stuff is all strong, high-tech asymmetrics.  DT puts Soaker on their high-end balls and that's it.

I don't really see much of that from Columbia.  Bully, Throttle, and Action were high-end, but I don't see a lot of brand-identification with C300's balls.  I couldn't tell you whether an Apogee was a high-end ball or not without looking.    It's got a brand-new asymmetric (read: expensive) core and M80, but it's really mid-priced.  The Action also has M80 and an old core, but is high-priced.  Why?  What makes the Action more expensive than the Apogee?  Seems more arbitrary, though I'm sure someone, somewhere plans and understands it.

The balls are fine.  I know several people that swear by them.  I had an Icon2 that I really liked.  Just hard to figure out what's what.

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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2006, 05:46:10 PM »
From a Pro Shop's standpoint I see having a high end ball reaction in a mid-performance price point as being a plus. Lots of customers don't want to spend the big bucks, so having high end (reaction wise) options in the next price level down is always good.

As far as not coming out with new cores and using old cores on new balls. Every company does this, Columbia just has a bad reputation for doing it more often than others. The newest balls out have 2 brand new cores (Attack and Apogee) and I see great things from both of those.

If more people would give the new stuff a chance, they wouldn't be let down.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2006, 08:58:11 PM »
thanks I get attacked/ridiculed around here for using Columbia, I have and EPX t1, Wrath and a Surge great results with all of them. But Tonight in league I shot 722 and the pro shop tells me that he '' wouldn't have that junk in the shop if you gave it to me'' I was a little offended at this and was wandering about other peoples opinions. Thanks to all the have responded and all that will later!
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2006, 08:59:43 PM »
Your pro shop guy said that?  Wow.  If I were you I'd look around for a new shop, preferrably one that doesn't ridicule your choice of equipment.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2006, 09:37:22 PM »
He isn't the guy I go to, I go to another guy across town he is very good. My Pro Shop Guy is Tim Mathe he works at Super Bowl in Appleton WI he kicks butt big time, I take his advice when he gives is out and he is always right. The guy that made the above comment is not so good I was at the bowling alley he works at when  he said that. He is convinced that anything other than Ebonite is Garbage and should not be used. I was bowling against his soon that night and I was using my Wrath shot 722 with a stupid open in the 8th frame of the 3rd game other wise is would have been a 750-770 or something like that. The Nerve of some people man I tell ya
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2006, 09:45:13 PM »
For whatever reason, I haven't been able to match up with any of the latest Columbia stuff.

However 10 years ago, you'd see nothing else in my hand.

I was a diehard Columbia bowler after I purchased my Beast urethane and shot a 300 and then moved onto the Primal Rage and shot my highest Youth set with it.  

After getting back into bowling 3 years ago, I have tried the Action, Action Packed and EPX T1 with no luck what so ever.

I am almost thinking about trying out the Action Attack, but Hammer's new midline is looking pretty good to me too.

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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 09:47:35 PM »
I used Columbia religously for over 15 years I wouldn't even consider using anything else but one day I put my stubbornness aside and tried other companies, they all make great stuff its all about correct drillings & match ups know your game read the specs sheets do the research & decide will this particular ball work for me. Many people don't do that whats good for 1 person will fail 9 others .That proshop guy at the bowling alley has no clue

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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2006, 08:09:31 AM »
Well I think I would like to chime in and share with you what is going on in our industry.

This information is what the pro shops tell me during my travels.  Currently right now our product line is the very strong, with it being so strong our ball reaction is early and very controlable at the break point.  But the "hot" reaction is a more violent reaction down the lane.  Our R&D team have been working very hard to catch up to this.  We've been doing some very extensive testing and the public is going to see this technology very soon.

Currently we have our new Wrath SF coming out in early January and this is a move in the right direction.

For all the Columbia fans out there we greatly appreciate the business and believe me we are working hard to our company better.

If you have any further questions please feel free to email me directly at joej@columbia300.com.

Thanks again and have a great holiday.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2006, 12:46:12 PM »
What I see happen alot with bowlers that purchase a ball for "length" and "violent hook" is they end up dulling the ball so it will break a little early because they can't control it the way it was designed out of the box.

IMO Control is more important.

I have an Action Packed that goes long and snaps pretty good on the back.

My only issue with it is that I am cleaning and polishing frequently to keep the length. I was very surprised for how much this ball moves on the back.

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Mark T. Trgovac

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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2006, 12:58:28 AM »
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It's not that they "suck", but they haven't been too creative with core designs over the past few years until the Bully line. Mostly, it's personal preference.
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The ALTER EGO was the first ball of newer stuff they let out that had a newer core and cover combo and it didnt get the notice it should have. When drilled right it was a great oil ball. Then when matched with its reactive Counter parts you had a great 3 ball line. The fact of the matter is everyone is looking for the super skid/flip reaction, they see from balls like the ONE, or Blackwidow, or AWSOME FLIP/REVS. Not many people can produce that kind of reaction out of say a normal action. So they want something that will do that for them. Yet I know with the hand and I have and everything I need that stronger earlier roll stuff because if I use my normal speed with normal hand on a ball like the raw doom, it will not turn for me even on a THS. It would be a light oil ball for me. So everyone like joe said be on the look for the wrath sf. It looks to be awsome and there is something even better on the way, I just hope I can afford to pick this baby up.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2006, 01:14:52 AM »
I don't think Columbia stuff sucks as all.  Personally I prefer to use their equipment.  For me, I'm a little rev dominant, and I find that their stuff rolls the best for me, cause it gets down the lane farther and I don't have to worry about it rolling out.  I just don't think that most people pay much attention to them cause they tend to be a bit "quieter" than other companies.  The most heard from Columbia was the EPX which got a very bad rap because the first batch had cracking problems.

I will continue to use their stuff and challenge anyone to tell me that they suck.
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Re: Why so bad
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 01:15:04 AM »
I don't think Columbia stuff sucks as all.  Personally I prefer to use their equipment.  For me, I'm a little rev dominant, and I find that their stuff rolls the best for me, cause it gets down the lane farther and I don't have to worry about it rolling out.  I just don't think that most people pay much attention to them cause they tend to be a bit "quieter" than other companies.  The most heard from Columbia was the EPX which got a very bad rap because the first batch had cracking problems.

I will continue to use their stuff and challenge anyone to tell me that they suck and prove it.
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