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JohnP

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2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« on: May 06, 2004, 09:57:37 PM »
How many sides does a bowling ball have?  I say one, the outside.  Now, how do we go about sanding or polishing a ball?  When you have treated a ball on a spinner and turned it over and treated again, you have covered the entire ball.  Yes, the sanding lines are all in the same direction, but the entire ball has been sanded.  When you turn it to another alignment, all you do is resand with the lines going in a different direction.  I say that if you sanded completely the first time, that's enough.  When I sand a ball, I start with the lowest grit I am going to use, with a CAB.  However I align the ball on the spinner, I sand the part on top, then flip it over and sand the part that was on the bottom.  Then I go to the next grit paper and turn the ball 90 degrees (instead of 180, which would be back to the alignment I started with), sand flip and sand.  I continue this regimen until the final grit I am going to use, then I sand top and bottom, flip 90 degrees and sand top and bottom again, to achieve a crosshatch pattern with the final sanding lines.  This works great for me, and eliminates a lot of extra flipping and sanding, but I do sand a little longer on each side than I would if I was using the "six sides" method.  Now, if you are going to use the coarse grits of sandpaper without a CAB, it would probably be better to flip more often to assure the ball stays in round.  Comments?  --  JohnP

 

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2004, 01:10:12 PM »
I uderstand sanding 4 sides, but have never understood why sanding 6 sides. I sand 6 sides because thats what the directions say, but I don't under stand the 5th and 6th side sanding.

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2004, 02:42:10 PM »
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I sand 6 sides because thats what the directions say, but I don't under stand the 5th and 6th side sanding.


Same here.  I think it just has to do with doing a thorough job and keeping the ball more truly in round than might happen if you just repeatedly sanded the same four sides.  This is just a guess though.  King of the mill comes to mind as someone who could probably give a good answer to this question--hopefully he'll see this post.

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2004, 10:32:14 PM »
king of the mill -- Yes, but is this really necessary when using a CAB with the coarse grades of sandpaper?  And you will notice that in my procedure I do rotate the ball 90 degrees after sanding the first two sides, but I also change grits of sandpaper at the same time.  -- JohnP

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2004, 08:50:55 AM »
I only use 4 sides when sanding, but when resurfacing, I always use six sides.  The linear velocity near the top of the ball is too slow to effectively sand, so that is why you need to rotate the ball the extra 2 turns.  Really the top 1-2 inches of the ball on the spinner is not sand well.
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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2004, 02:32:07 PM »
MoRich  -- I have made it a practice not to resurface balls.  I refer my customers to a shop that has a Haus machine.  I only do performance sanding.  --  JohnP

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2004, 07:05:05 PM »
I say a ball has 6 sides.  If you imagine that the ball is a cube:  top, bottom, left, right, front, back.  I normally only sand four sides.  I rarely have to resurface a ball.  When I do, I use 4 sides until about 800 grit, then I start going all six to really smooth it out.

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2004, 07:22:13 PM »
Andrew is correct.  Imagine the ball still in the box.  The box has 6 sides and these correspond to the 6 "sides" of a ball.
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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2004, 05:04:42 AM »
Putting a bowling ball in a cube or box doesnt give it six sides I could put my bowling ball in a triange does that mean it has five sides then ?  A bowling ball has no sides unless you count the inside and the outside. It really comes down to a question of definition what do you mean by "side" ?

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2004, 05:38:50 AM »
Side = area of ball to turn upwards in spinner to make eveness of ball surface easier.

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2004, 11:57:29 AM »
jensm --  

"Side = area of ball to turn upwards in spinner to make eveness of ball surface easier."

OK, so you put the ball in the spinner with the label up.  Does that mean it has two sides (label up and label down)?  This is all semantics.  We're really not talking sides, we're talking directions, and the question is:  how many different directions do we need to sand in to get an even, round surface.  In my opinion, two directions is enough for each preliminary sanding grit (rotate 90 degrees when changing grits), with four or six directions for the final grit.

For the preceding, I am talking about when you are doing a surface sanding to obtain the final surface you want for performance.  I start out at least one grit coarser than the final surface I want.  If you are doing a refinishing sanding (I send these to a pro shop that has a Haus machine), the coarse sanding (first grit) should probably be done in at least four directions with a CAB to avoid flat spots.  --  JohnP

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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2004, 12:47:46 PM »
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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2004, 11:56:21 PM »
ball does have six sides, top and bottom, right and left, front and back.
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Re: 2 sides, 4 sides, 6 sides . . . ?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2004, 10:05:37 PM »
Rule 62 -- It has six "sides" because that's the way you chose to draw your lines and cut your "halves".  Why not four lines (eight "sides") or six lines (twelve "sides) or . . . . .
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