win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish  (Read 12868 times)

stickysodagun

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1
500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« on: June 01, 2012, 01:11:30 PM »
I've had some recent success with this method of finishing on a spinner... Just wondering if anyone else has tried it and had success with it? It's Brunswick's new finishing procedure for the C-System VersaMax and the Karmas.

It all began when I tried resurfacing a Hy-Road to near OOB condition. Storm's old grit progression (500/Grey Scotchbrite/Step Two) seemed close, whereas their new grit progression (500/1000/2000/4000/Step Two) seemed to never make the ball turn on the back. I then tried a bunch of surface adjustments in between (some with polish, some without), which either made the Hy-Road read the lane too soon, or never let the ball read the lane at all. Truth be told, I don't seem to match up with sanded surfaces (anything lower than 2000), so that could be why my tests without polish were not spectacular. Your mileage may vary.

As a final, "Hey, why not?", I tried the 500/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish surface - and from what I can tell, it's pretty close to what I saw when my Hy-Road was new. I'm no surface expert but if I had to venture a guess, it's pretty close to Storm's elusive "1500 Grit Polished" finish.

Benefit: Polishes, bought in quantity, can be cheaper than going through multiple Abralon/SiaAir pads.

Drawback: It might be hard to reproduce the same surface over and over again due to pressure, spinner speed, etc.

Question: When it's time for a touch-up, would I hit it with just the High Gloss Polish? Or hit it with Rough Buff, then High Gloss Polish? Or do the whole procedure over again? Taking it down to 500 every 30 or so games seems like overkill?

Just thought I'd throw this out there for discussion, in case anyone was looking to try out a new method of resurfacing or trying to replicate Storm's polished finish.

 

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 07:04:26 PM »
I have not tried to reproduce this finish yet, but, like Brunswick, your approach, while as valid as anything else, seems the long way around, with many possible misteps along the way.

I'm a strong believer in keeping procedures as simple and straightforward as possible, when and if possible. This is why I prefer to use a polish that has the least abrasive grit in it as possible, like Valentino's Snake Oil, as just one example. I'd suggest starting with a sanded surface and then applying such a polish.

Of course, sanding is also approachable from 2 points of view. A, a step wise approach, such as 500 grit, 1000 grit, 2000 grit, then 4000 grit, or, B, a sudden change, such as 500 grit, then 4000 grit. Then applying the polish.

Alternatives will let you do the same with a 2000 grit or a 3000 grit starting surface.

As for polish, you can put a light dose, medium or heavy dose of polish.

Sanding with specific grits seems a more specific way to get to a starting point rather than using a strong abrasive compound such as Rough Buff or Storm's Step 2, which involve a lot more variables in their application onto a bowling ball surface.

Just another point of view in the pursuit of KISS ("Keep It Simple, _____"). The simpler it is, the easier it is to repeat.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

ccrider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2230
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 10:21:37 AM »
I remeber reading that lane surfaces tend to take the balls toward 2000 abralon over time. What you need to do to refresh would depend on where you ended up after your initial prep. If your end product is 3000, then use a 3000 pad and light high gloss. 

If your end surface is closer to 1500, use a 1000 pad lightly and a light dose of high gloss.

trushj

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 24
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 10:34:33 PM »
sticky,

I have an anaconda that I never got along with from the get-go. it always seemed to want to go immediately into a forward roll after I released it - I attributed that to my release, and the houses I bowl at putting out medium-light THS.

when I saw that the new pink-ish karma had the activator+ coverstock with this surface prep, I tried it out. it definitely helped, and turned it into a ball i can actually use. I actually can get some skid down the lane.

while I agree with charlest above to "KISS" - and without knowing what actual surface grit this finishes a ball at - it was something I'm glad I tried.

raiderh20boy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1735
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 11:16:09 AM »
Using a surface analizer in my shop, almost all surfaces with polish  end up over 5000 when doing a resurface on the Storm Surface Factory machine. That is polishing after 1500 grit abralon for 2 min as the last abralon pad used!  Going with 2000 and up grits have gone as high as 5900 on the analizer when polished for 2 min!

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 02:01:21 PM »
Using a surface analyzer in my shop, almost all surfaces with polish  end up over 5000 when doing a resurface on the Storm Surface Factory machine. That is polishing after 1500 grit abralon for 2 min as the last abralon pad used!  Going with 2000 and up grits have gone as high as 5900 on the analyzer when polished for 2 min!

2 minutes is a darned long time to polish a ball.Small wonder it gets the surface to 5000+.
I do about 15 - 20 seconds per side. I think my surfaces are closer to the 4000 - 4500 grit range. If I need more length (and, unfortunately, more snap), then I put it back on the spinner for another 30 seconds per side. I think 2 minutes is way too much for an initial polish.

I've known pro shops that do such.
Oh, you want it dull - you get back 320 grit, so dull light no longer reflects off it.
Oh, you want it polished - you get back 8,000 grit, so shiny you can use it for a mirror.
There are about 47 steps in-between those extremes, but they know only those two.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

raiderh20boy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1735
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 05:36:54 PM »
I agree that 2 min polishing a ball is a LONG time by hand on a spinner. Using the Surface Factory machine you are only polishing the width of a track flair as it spins in the machine! I have checked numerous ball from the different companies and MOST polished are 5000 + on the ball analizer.

badbeard

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 527
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 05:59:41 PM »
lane 1 used 1000 grit and 2x ruff buff on the pink panther  and the boom a rang  I have my motiv raptor 240 and ruff buff works just fine
and I took an Ebonite mission which the bowler could not get it to hook and 500 and ruff buff and he loves it now. lots of surface possibly ruff buff is kinda cool want it shinny and no polish just ruff buff it twice
 

MI 2 AZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8152
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2012, 06:40:55 PM »
I agree that 2 min polishing a ball is a LONG time by hand on a spinner. Using the Surface Factory machine you are only polishing the width of a track flair as it spins in the machine! I have checked numerous ball from the different companies and MOST polished are 5000 + on the ball analizer.


Have you ever tested the surface of a ball that you polished on a spinner?  Wondering if it is as high.

_________________________________________
Six decades of league bowling and still learning.

ABC/USBC Lifetime Member since Aug 1995.

Brickguy221

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9918
Re: 500 Abralon/Rough Buff/High Gloss Polish
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 12:20:21 PM »
I agree that 2 min polishing a ball is a LONG time by hand on a spinner. Using the Surface Factory machine you are only polishing the width of a track flair as it spins in the machine! I have checked numerous ball from the different companies and MOST polished are 5000 + on the ball analizer.


Have you ever tested the surface of a ball that you polished on a spinner?  Wondering if it is as high.



I'm curious about this as well.
"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away"