Author Topic: Does it hurt anything to use 2 different polishes on a ball??? (Read 3062 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** July 30, 2003, 11:52:13 AM »

For example; does it hurt the coverstock in any way to use something like Finess-it on a ball and then Black Magic on top of that? Or any 2 differewt types of polishes on top of each other?

Or do you just need to use ONE type of poslish on a particular ball?

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2003, 11:06:44 AM »

In general, it should not hurt.
Sometimes, the second may counter what the first one did.
I use Finesse-It II, which, if taken all the way, hardest pressure for a while, takes the ball to about 3000 grit level - nice high gloss.
Why did you add Black Magic afterwards? What was your intent?

(FYI I like Black Magic to get extra length because it's not supposed to change the grit level of the ball.)
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Ric Clint · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2003, 05:40:25 PM »

Well, actually I used Black Magic first and THEN Finesse-it II.

What does this do to a ball as far length and backend and oil handeling capabilities?

Also:

What is the difference between these 2 if used seperately?

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2003, 10:33:27 PM »

Since Finesse-It probably has a grit in it (it has some type of abrasive, I believe), it basically rubbed off the Black Magis which I know does not have any grit in it. Thus you were probably left with only what the Finesse-it did. I am not a chemist, but this makes sense to me.

Using the Finesse-it should, depending on how much effort you put into it, do all the normal things: make it skid longer, make it hook more in the back end, and make it handle less oil. The harder and longer you press, the greater the effect. Of course, it will only hook so much in the backend and you're not increasing the hook, only moving it to the backend.

So far, for me, the only products that reduce the backend are auto polishes (ones with wax), Neo-Tac's Control-It, and VERY HEAVY applications of Black Magic. I no longer ever use car waxes on balls.I use Control-It intentionally and I mark such balls carefully, as only sanding removes Control-It. I am very careful how I apply Black Magic, depending on how much skid I want. It is easily and WONDERFULLY controllable. If I want just a little, I do it by hand, without the spinner. Great Stuff. (been using it well lately; sorry if I went a little overboard. It is good stuff.)
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duggre · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2003, 11:08:50 PM »

finesse-it contents:water,stoddard solvent,mineral oil,
aluminum sodium oxide,petroleum distillate,acrylic emulsion,
GLYCERIN, MORPHOLINE. I think as bowlers the last two
could help! Duggre/VERTEX

Ric Clint · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2003, 10:28:58 PM »

So Charlest, are you saying that a heavy dose of Black Magic will decrease th backend where as Finessee-it II will increase the backend???

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2003, 03:57:38 AM »

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So Charlest, are you saying that a heavy dose of Black Magic will decrease th backend where as Finessee-it II will increase the backend???

I can't say that this will happen to eveyrone on every ball, but the one ttime I tried to apply a veyr high dose to get a high gloss shine, the ball's backend definitely seemed to be less than before. I have since used Black Magic more cautiously and even when I get a very good shine on the ball, the ball acts as expected. Remember it is only to get more length WITHOUT changing the grit with which you sanded the ball.

Finesseit II seems to act more like a normal polish; I have not tried to take it to a Super high gloss.

Everything in moderation.

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Ric Clint · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2003, 12:42:17 AM »

Charlest,

When you say, "it is only to get more length WITHOUT changing the grit with which you sanded the ball". Are you talking about Finesse-it II?

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2003, 11:26:52 PM »

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Charlest,

When you say, "it is only to get more length WITHOUT changing the grit with which you sanded the ball". Are you talking about Finesse-it II?

Sorry I was not more clear.
Black Magic supposedly (and I believe) does not change the grit surface. 400 stays 400; it just gets polished. (No, I do not understand how that happens.)

But polishing with Black Magic gets you more length; polishing with Finesse-it also gets more length but with the added effect of a finer surface than the original starting grit, since it has small abrasives in it. Both will get more length, but the Black Magic ball should have earlier and more hook, if both were polished with the same amount of polish and with the same pressure and for the same period of time (which is very hard to do).

So, if I want some small additional length, I will usually use Black Magic.

If I have chosen a wrong ball for a condition or drilled it too strong and I need both more length and less backend, I will either sand it finer and/or use a polish like Finesse-It, or an equivalent. Similar in effect to Finesse-it is Neo-Tac's Renew-it; it requires much less effort. If I need even less backend, I will sand it even finer, maybe down to 1200 or 1500 and polish it OR use Neo-Tac's Control-It.
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Edited on 8/7/2003 11:38 PM

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