Author Topic: Finesse It (Read 12429 times)

JS · « **on:** December 30, 2008, 07:56:34 AM »

Does anyone still use Finesse It? I vaguely remember using it many, many years ago and having my ball come out as shiny as a marble and having tremendous length. Is this still used today? What bowling polish product is comparable to the length you would get using Finesse It?

tenpinspro · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2008, 04:59:17 PM »

Hey JS,

I used to use Finesse It/II. I learned back then it was primarily used as a boat/fiberglass polish (may be incorrect) but it advertised to contain no silicon or wax which was okay to use on a reactive urethane/resin bowling balls because it wouldn't seal the pores as opposed to the old Lustre King machines in a bowl which applied true wax from a bar (had one of those too).

Currently I use Brunswick Factory Finish High Gloss Polish or Ebonite's Factory Finish Polish. Both work pretty well for me to achieve a nice high gloss finish but I also do have a dual speed spinner.

Keep in mind, older reactives were possibly and most likely not as porous as reactives of today so achieving a higher gloss was easier then and always remembering what grit we have underlying a polish will dictate the strength of the shine.

I haven't tried Valentino products yet but hear many good things about them as well. Hope this helps some...
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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:51:38 AM »

Rick,

You're right. There's a Finesse-IT II for marine applications, intended for fiberglass boats. It's the one I use.

Hey, John,

I still use it. I used it on my Blue Dot that you saw last Thursday. Rick has the special "formula" I used on the BD.

I also use it in more than a few of my pearls, as well as the ever reliable Snake Oil, which I mostly use on solids.

To my eyes, the closest polish is Storm's Xtra Shine. In fact, both come out of the bottle looking awfully similar in color and consistency!!! (hint, hint!!)

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J_w73 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2009, 04:08:53 PM »

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Rick,

You're right. There's a Finesse-IT II for marine applications, intended for fiberglass boats. It's the one I use.

Hey, John,

I still use it. I used it on my Blue Dot that you saw last Thursday. Rick has the special "formula" I used on the BD.
I also use it in more than a few of my pearls, as well as the ever reliable Snake Oil, which I mostly use on solids.

To my eyes, the closest polish is Storm's Xtra Shine. In fact, both come out of the bottle looking awfully similar in color and consistency!!! (hint, hint!!)

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

I have some Storm Xtra shine and it does provide a high shine as it says it polishes to 3500 grit. I do smell some sort of wax in the product.. maybe carnuba. I use different waxes in my job so I am familiar with the smells.
I want to get some finesse it II to check it out.. maybe some perfect it also since that was recommended.
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High Series 782
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J_w73 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2009, 04:20:32 PM »

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I use it.... it is used to remove final sanding scratches on base coat / clear coat finishes.

It is still available at any auto body paint shop. It is probally the best product in the business. If you want to get even shinier, get Perfect It and apply after the Finesse It.

I believe that Brunswick High Gloss, Powerhouse polish and 3M Finesse It are the same product. Brunswick Rough Buff is just 3M liquid rubbing compound.

There are only a few mfgs of these kind of products in the US.

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Looks like there are a few different "Perfect It " products. Which one are you recommending using after finesse it. Also, which finesse it is the to get for use on a bowling ball for the highest shine, or is there only one finesse it product ?
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PBA Xperience ave 180
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EFFEN 10 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2009, 06:04:07 PM »

Look at this thread:http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=225109&ForumID=17&CategoryID=5

smash8-10split · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:52:14 PM »

if your talking car wet sand/polish wish. Finesse-IT is NOT by far the best in the business. 3m's extra cut rubbing compound is way better. meguiars compound used in their "solo system" is awesome as well.

Technology has come a LONG way since that stuff came out.

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I use it.... it is used to remove final sanding scratches on base coat / clear coat finishes.

It is still available at any auto body paint shop. It is probally the best product in the business. If you want to get even shinier, get Perfect It and apply after the Finesse It.

I believe that Brunswick High Gloss, Powerhouse polish and 3M Finesse It are the same product. Brunswick Rough Buff is just 3M liquid rubbing compound.

There are only a few mfgs of these kind of products in the US.

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Axis: 5-3/4" 5/16 down

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smash8-10split · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:54:37 PM »

also guys "perfect-it" is a whole line of products from 3m, not just 1 specific compound.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:48:19 AM »

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Looks like there are a few different "Perfect It " products. Which one are you recommending using after finesse it. Also, which finesse it is the to get for use on a bowling ball for the highest shine, or is there only one finesse it product ?

Yes, there are. AFAIK, there are at least 2 different surface preparation systems available which comprise special compounds and polishes, plus some extra sponges for application.

My personal favorite is 3M #50077 Trizact Rubbing Compound (I think it is called "Finesse-It II"), which is intended to smooth out sanding lines in the 3.000 grit range on car bodies before painting. Therefore, it contains no wax and leaves the pure coverstock.
On a 4.000 Abralon base, you get a mirror-like surface, tacky as he!!. gets the ball easiyl through the heads, but creates very good traction in the dry - it helped me "tame" my Awesome Finish.

Highly recommendable!
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J_w73 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2009, 10:28:51 AM »

quote:
quote:

Looks like there are a few different "Perfect It " products. Which one are you recommending using after finesse it. Also, which finesse it is the to get for use on a bowling ball for the highest shine, or is there only one finesse it product ?

Yes, there are. AFAIK, there are at least 2 different surface preparation systems available which comprise special compounds and polishes, plus some extra sponges for application.

My personal favorite is 3M #50077 Trizact Rubbing Compound (I think it is called "Finesse-It II"), which is intended to smooth out sanding lines in the 3.000 grit range on car bodies before painting. Therefore, it contains no wax and leaves the pure coverstock.
On a 4.000 Abralon base, you get a mirror-like surface, tacky as he!!. gets the ball easiyl through the heads, but creates very good traction in the dry - it helped me "tame" my Awesome Finish.

Highly recommendable!
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so does it reduce or smooth out the backend or will it increase it because the ball stores more energy through the heads and mids?
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J_w73 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2009, 10:56:29 AM »

Just talked to 3M. According to them, the latest and greatest highest shine, finest grit polishing compound they have is 3M 06068, Perfect It Ultrafine Machine Polish, Swirl Eliminator

They have discontinued the perfect it II system. This one is supposed to work better on todays harder clear coats. Not sure what that means for bowling balls but I'm gonna give it a shot. Not sure how it compares to Finesse it II but I think it is finer as some reviews say to use finesse it II before this one. Still no waxes or silicones.
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

smash8-10split · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:33:12 PM »

that swirl eliminator is useless unless you use an actual compound first. If you use it on anything sanded, its just not going to polish it up. its made for being used after rubbing compound, to take out swirls from the wool buffing pad (hints swirl remover name)

and dizzyfugu, all the compounds are used AFTER painting, not before.

Im in the business, i know a thing or 2

quote:
Just talked to 3M. According to them, the latest and greatest highest shine, finest grit polishing compound they have is 3M 06068, Perfect It Ultrafine Machine Polish, Swirl Eliminator

They have discontinued the perfect it II system. This one is supposed to work better on todays harder clear coats. Not sure what that means for bowling balls but I'm gonna give it a shot. Not sure how it compares to Finesse it II but I think it is finer as some reviews say to use finesse it II before this one. Still no waxes or silicones.
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

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J_w73 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2009, 03:35:44 PM »

actually swirl remover isn't actually in the name on the 3m site.. that was on some other site.. the 3m official name is Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish.

what about using it after 4000 abralon??

There is a Perfect-It Rubbing Compound and a perfect-it machine polish. What about these. Are they close to , better, worse than finesse-it ??

so is the finesse it indeed more abrasive?? What is your 3m product of choice??
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

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smash8-10split · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2009, 04:25:53 PM »

the machine polish (aka swirl remover) is like a quick speed glaze. After you sand all the dirt out of the clear coat on a car, you use your cutting compounds to take the scratches out. (Most rubbing compounds these days do not have or a sandpapery feel like the olden day compounds do (technology i guess?). Anyway, After your done with the cutting compounds you get swirl marks from your buffing pad. Then you take your machine polish, with a very soft pad, and work out the swirls.

So basically the machine glaze IS how you get the highest shine, Because its the last step. Its virtually no good at actual polishing though, it just does not have what the actual compound has in it to bring something up from dull to make it shiny. It makes things shiny to shiny-er.

We use the 3m extra cut compound at work, and i use it on my balls, it shines up real nice, and leaves tack. I can take some pics and post them if you want? I do not go over it with the machine polish, even though we have it. I don't want my ball to skate the whole lane. The mcguire's solo system polish is also a good compound to use. Its actually a machine polish/compound all in 1, just 1 step

there are MANY perfect-it compounds. The compounds do the work, the polish just hides the swirl marks.

Honestly, I would compare the Perfect it 3000 compound as equal to finesse-IT. I have used both

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actually swirl remover isn't actually in the name on the 3m site.. that was on some other site.. the 3m official name is Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish.

what about using it after 4000 abralon??

There is a Perfect-It Rubbing Compound and a perfect-it machine polish. What about these. Are they close to , better, worse than finesse-it ??

so is the finesse it indeed more abrasive?? What is your 3m product of choice??
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

Edited on 1/19/2009 4:37 PM

Edited on 1/19/2009 4:45 PM

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J_w73 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2009, 04:48:55 PM »

so does the product you use actually increase the backend reaction ?
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High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
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PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

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