Author Topic: Hybrid Coverstock Question (Read 12767 times)

guffnuh · « **on:** May 21, 2012, 03:02:38 PM »

So is a hybrid coverstock literally part solid and part pearl? I'll use the Storm Frantic for an example. Is the solid orange part r2s solid, and the pearl green part r2s pearl?

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:23:15 PM »

Hybrids are generally considered to be solid/pearl combinations. Some use 3 colors, of which 2 may be pearl and 1 may be solid (Hammer has done this) and some may be 2 or 3 parts solid to 1 part pearl (Columbia's Benchmark).

From the evidence of your own eyes, you can see that it's almost impossible for every ball to be a perfect 50/50 split. Take this into account when you notice the ball reaction. Also the duller the surface finish, the more the ball's reaction tend towards a solid-type of reaction than a pearl, in general, BUT a lot still depends on the drilling, the bowler's release, and the amount of oil on which the ball is used (A 2000 grit dull ball can be skid/flip, while a 4000 grit polished ball may have an even reaction).

guffnuh · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:29:47 PM »

That's what I thought, but some of my friends were convinced that it wasn't that way.

Quote from: charlest on May 21, 2012, 03:23:15 PM

Hybrids are generally considered to be solid/pearl combinations. Some use 3 colors, of which 2 may be pearl and 1 may be solid (Hammer has done this) and some may be 2 or 3 parts solid to 1 part pearl (Columbia's Benchmark).

From the evidence of your own eyes, you can see that it's almost impossible for every ball to be a perfect 50/50 split. Take this into account when you notice the ball reaction. Also the duller the surface finish, the more the ball's reaction tend towards a solid-type of reaction than a pearl, in general, BUT a lot still depends on the drilling, the bowler's release, and the amount of oil on which the ball is used (A 2000 grit dull ball can be skid/flip, while a 4000 grit polished ball may have an even reaction).

BeerMug · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:45:13 PM »

There are also Hybrids of two different solids (Storm Major 52). Not sure exactly which two they are. Any ball with the Hyroad cover is a 50/50 mix (Crossroad,Frantic). I prefer this cover due its versatility. The Hyroad set the pace in my opinion. 4 years and the ball is still in the catalog. Unheard of today.

trackfiend · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2012, 08:04:05 PM »

If you want a true hybrid try to find a track 920T its fully mixed they used 3 tanks and mixed them then pored the ball

jaydee · « **Reply #5 on:** May 22, 2012, 09:29:40 AM »

I would imagine all the hybrids are fully mixed. If they weren't, the reaction would be different based on where the "swirls" end up with respect to the track. First flare ring could hit 40/60 solid/pearl, second flare ring could hit 55/45, third flare ring hits 70/30, etc.

I don't have any ball pouring knowledge, just wouldn't make sense to me. Also, you see multi-colored solids and single colored hybrids all the time.

trash heap · « **Reply #6 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:43:56 AM »

It seems to me a Hybrid just has less of the pearl additive. A pearl ball by definition has the addition of materials blended into the reactive coverstock material.

From Bowlingball.com

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The inclusion of these additives roughens out the microscopic pores causing the ball reaction on dry lanes to be extended in length on the front ends of the lanes. With the ability to skid decisively on the front end of the lanes and store energy, pearl reactive balls produce stronger hooking ability on the back ends of the lanes than do solid reactive coverstock balls.

So if you mix a Solid Coverstock materials with one that is Pearl you get an overall ball with less of the additive. So you get a little bit of both worlds. Some additional length than a solid, and a not quite as much as the snap on the backend as a pearl.

Does this make sense?...or am I way off base?

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** June 14, 2012, 02:04:07 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on June 14, 2012, 11:43:56 AM

It seems to me a Hybrid just has less of the pearl additive. A pearl ball by definition has the addition of materials blended into the reactive coverstock material.

From Bowlingball.com
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The inclusion of these additives roughens out the microscopic pores causing the ball reaction on dry lanes to be extended in length on the front ends of the lanes. With the ability to skid decisively on the front end of the lanes and store energy, pearl reactive balls produce stronger hooking ability on the back ends of the lanes than do solid reactive coverstock balls.

So if you mix a Solid Coverstock materials with one that is Pearl you get an overall ball with less of the additive. So you get a little bit of both worlds. Some additional length than a solid, and a not quite as much as the snap on the backend as a pearl.

Does this make sense?...or am I way off base?

Sure it makes sense, but you may be over-thinking it.
If you take that analysis further for balls like the Benchmark which is 2 or 3 parts solid with one part pearl, does that mean it's actually 4 or 5 parts solid and 1 part pearl?
or some other balls may be 2 parts pearl to 1 part solid, does that mean ...oh! never mind.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #8 on:** June 14, 2012, 04:09:21 PM »

I think all colors used in a hybrid are of the same make-up. Take the Frantic, both the orange and green are actually the same material.

For balls that have a defined pearl and solid "looking" swirl, that is because there are additives that give a particular color a "pearl" look without actually affecting the performance.

kotm · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2012, 07:21:27 PM »

rh @ ebonite did an experiment a looong time ago, utilizing the v2. testers were given two nearly identical test balls, the only difference being the use of not very visible black mica in one of the balls.

when using identical surface preparation, adding "pearl" to the solid cover, all other things being equal, reduced length and added overall hook. the actual results and CATS data was published in their "quarterly" pro shop rag.

just because you cannot visually see "pearl", does not mean that it is not there!

so i have since thought of covers as...
"soild", no particulate/pearl additive = smoother, controllable breakpoint
"hybrid", low particulate/pearl additive = give it a little "kick"
"pearlized" = duh, here it comes

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2012, 08:01:06 PM »

Quote from: kotm on June 14, 2012, 07:21:27 PM

rh @ ebonite did an experiment a looong time ago, utilizing the v2. testers were given two nearly identical test balls, the only difference being the use of not very visible black mica in one of the balls.

when using identical surface preparation, adding "pearl" to the solid cover, all other things being equal, reduced length and added overall hook. the actual results and CATS data was published in their "quarterly" pro shop rag.

just because you cannot visually see "pearl", does not mean that it is not there!

so i have since thought of covers as...
"soild", no particulate/pearl additive = smoother, controllable breakpoint
"hybrid", low particulate/pearl additive = give it a little "kick"
"pearlized" = duh, here it comes

Richard,

You have to just blurt out the truth and tell everyone, dontcha???
Can't you just string them along like we all do?

no300tj · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2012, 09:22:44 PM »

Here is my (probably misguided) take on this question. I believe hybrid means precisely what they say. They make the color swirls with different tanks feeding one nozzle to pour into the mold. Why does color have to be the only difference. They sure look like some colors are solid, others pearl. Not too long ago, a particle pearl was the ball to go between the solid and pearl versions of many ball lines. Particle became a bad word being associated with ball death. So there became a void, so to speak, on the reaction chart. Now you see a hybrid to go there.
I believe every pour is unique. The solid/pearl ratio different every time. You may be able to drill 3 exactly the same and be able to see the difference. The ball sees a variable amount of friction as it travels toward the break point. Not necessarily on the fresh, but definitely as the oil transitions. Maybe you need pearl upfront, but the back ends are tight. A hybrid that flares from pearly to more solid could be the answer. Point of contact is very small. It constantly changes. We want friction where we can use it. Slide where we can use it. Each shot is new. Each ball path unique.

kotm · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2012, 08:45:13 PM »

Quote from: charlest on June 14, 2012, 08:01:06 PM

Quote from: kotm on June 14, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
rh @ ebonite did an experiment a looong time ago, utilizing the v2. testers were given two nearly identical test balls, the only difference being the use of not very visible black mica in one of the balls.

when using identical surface preparation, adding "pearl" to the solid cover, all other things being equal, reduced length and added overall hook. the actual results and CATS data was published in their "quarterly" pro shop rag.

just because you cannot visually see "pearl", does not mean that it is not there!

so i have since thought of covers as...
"soild", no particulate/pearl additive = smoother, controllable breakpoint
"hybrid", low particulate/pearl additive = give it a little "kick"
"pearlized" = duh, here it comes

Richard,

You have to just blurt out the truth and tell everyone, dontcha???
Can't you just string them along like we all do?

you know me better than that, charlie

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