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General Category => Coverstock Preparation => Topic started by: lilpossum1 on March 21, 2014, 07:53:35 AM
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Help! My teammate's first blood is oil logged, and we can't get the oil out. He has done 3 oil baths, and he saw oil pouring out of it. Afterwards, he rubbed it down with acetone, against my advice. The ball felt like new, but after a four game tournament, a couple practice games, and one game of league, it was back to being oil logged and hit like a pool noodle. Is there a way to get all the oil out and make it last longer? There isn't an oven in the area, or I would have him use that.
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Whatever method you're doing - if the oil is still pouring out, continue the process until it doesn't. If a ball is overdue for a de-oiling it can take a while to complete.
What method are you doing? What ball is it?
I personally think the "ball in a bucket of hot water" method is the easiest, but also the least effective. I've had balls leach some oil but have the ball still labor on the dry part of the lane. I personally use the dishwasher (NO heat/dry cycle).
Some Ebonite balls from 5-7 years ago were terrible when it came to oil absorption. You could remove oil, but they still didn't work well afterwards or just sucked up a ton of oil again very quickly.
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Sand the ball down with 360-500.
Remove the oil, put the ball in a basket and water at about 155-160F with a a small amount of dish soap, leave it for 15 min, you can actually see the oil in the water. Take the ball out and wipe it off and repeat until the water is clear.
Do it 1 last time without soap and let i air dry.
Resurface it to the preffered texture and go strike.
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One thing I would add, if you are doing a water bath, you want to try and control the temperature as much as possible. Here is my method:
- I get my cooler and fill it with 160°F water to a level that I am sure will cover the ball once the ball is inserted.
- I then close the cooler and let the temperature equalize. The cooler is probably at a temperature less than 160°F and will absorb some of the heat from the water until the entire inside is around 155°F (depends on the size of the cooler). If I want the water cooler, I can either start with a lower temperature water or add cool water until the bath has gotten to the desired temperature.
- I then add less than a teaspoon of dish soap and stir slowly. Next add your ball(s). The temperature may decrease slightly due to the thermal mass of the bowling balls absorbing heat, but it won't be much.
- Close lid and wait 30 minutes. Check water temperature to see how much heat you are losing. You will want to have some hot water (near boiling) to adjust accordingly. If you are going to be doing a couple of balls or wanting to add heat a few times, take water out of the bath and heat that water up then add back. This way you aren't accumulating a lot of excess water in your bath. I will usually add near boiling water and take out excess at the same time.
- Do this till you feel comfortable you have extracted the amount of water you want.
I don't personally look to see if my ball still has oil coming out. I do this procedure on a regular basis and know if I do each ball for an hour, I am pretty good.
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For a ball literally saturated with oil, I have my doubts about home water methods getting the job done. Using my NuBall personal revivor, it's taken me over 5 hours to throughly de-oil a completely saturated ball. I think it would be hard to keep the water hot enough for long enough to accomplish the same thing.
If your friend likes the ball, it would be worth the expense to have a proshop de-oil with a revivor/rejuvinator, and then make the effort to stay on top of maintenance himself with regular hot water baths.
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Sand to 400 grit, tape off all holes and put in bucket of hot water and a splash of simple green. Let sit for 10 or so min, pull out and wipe with rubbing alcohol.. Then repeat a couples times.... Most I've done was 4 times with a modern marvel that was used at 1000 grit
When done finish with what ever surface you desire..
And when I mean sand it, just sand to get it dull. Unless you wana resurface it...
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He has soaked it numerous times now, and has gotten a yob of oil out. Last night was the first night he has gotten a good reaction all night for weeks. He was still getting oil out when he stopped though
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Any temperature over 140 will void warranties, 125 for some. Hot water baths expose the ball to temperatures too high for too long, they also don't extract the oil, they just get out whatever happens to bleed out. This still leaves trapped oil in the shell near the surface, which is why even though oil may come out, it may not improve the ball reaction much, if at all, and it will certainly take forever. Storm and Ebonite brands soak up the most oil, and the First Blood has had loads of problems "dying" around here.
Put in a request with your local shop to purchase a Detox, 30 minutes and you essentially have a brand new ball, all done safely, quickly, and without voiding any warranties. Revivors and Rejuvenators are now obsolete.
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Not enough people around here would use it enough to make it worth using. Our area is full of once a week bowlers who just bowl to socialize, and people that don't throw a ball long enough to need a detox
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Gizmo -- I'm not familiar with the detox, where can I find some information about it? -- JohnP
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Gizmo -- I'm not familiar with the detox, where can I find some information about it? -- JohnP
The Jayhawk Detox
Here Check this thread
http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/jayhawk-detox-check-it-out-t299926.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/jayhawk-detox-check-it-out-t299926.0.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfuRaHrpogE
For those that haven't seen it or heard of it yet. I don't know how much it costs, but the results appear to be there.
Price listed on the Jayhawk website is $1,795. -- JohnP
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Dexot is a word that some one just made up to do the same thing as a bath does
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Dexot is a word that some one just made up to do the same thing as a bath does
Well it does use a ultrasonic's to help clean.
You could get a ultrasonic transducer and power board off ebay for about $50 and hook it up to your bucket of hot water.
Google: diy ultrasonic cleaners
It looks pretty simple
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Normally I'm not too confrontational, but that was an extremely ignorant statement. I've been in the business for nearly a decade and have seen/used every oil extraction gimmick or technique out there. The Detox is a whole different animal.
Dexot is a word that some one just made up to do the same thing as a bath does
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I'm not affiliated with Jayhawk in any way, shape, or form. I'm talking it up because it works, nothing else compares, nowhere close. You'll waste much more time and energy trying to make your own as opposed to paying 20 bucks for a Detox treatment . .
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You'll waste much more time and energy trying to make your own as opposed to paying 20 bucks for a Detox treatment . .
As for it Being a waste of time and money to build one, it would be like any Diy project and in the eye of the builder! if it was a waste of time and money.
Yeah $20 isn't bad and if your not into diy projects it's the way to go take it to the shop.
(of course you would have to have a pro-shop that has one nearby. And depending on how many balls you have and how many times you have it done.....)
But considering all the DIY ball spinners, Dehydrator de-oilers, ball rack builders on here and the others forums. A diy ultrasonic parts cleaner ( I mean ball cleaner) isn't a big deal. No harm suggesting the idea.
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True, no offense intended. Just used to seeing people put dozens of hours and hundreds of dollars into stuff just to save a few bucks at the shop . . but I will say it's nice to be able to do stuff yourself.
You'll waste much more time and energy trying to make your own as opposed to paying 20 bucks for a Detox treatment . .
As for it Being a waste of time and money to build one, it would be like any Diy project and in the eye of the builder! if it was a waste of time and money.
Yeah $20 isn't bad and if your not into diy projects it's the way to go take it to the shop.
(of course you would have to have a pro-shop that has one nearby. And depending on how many balls you have and how many times you have it done.....)
But considering all the DIY ball spinners, Dehydrator de-oilers, ball rack builders on here and the others forums. A diy ultrasonic parts cleaner ( I mean ball cleaner) isn't a big deal. No harm suggesting the idea.
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Revivors and Rejuvenators are now obsolete. :o
Now THAT"S funny! ;D
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There's also a bit of sensitivity to it too I suppose, I'm used to people saying, "well I could do this for a lot cheaper," the insinuation being that we're ripping them off or gouging them. Lol just too quick to get defensive I suppose
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HAH! Obsolete, outdated, inefficient, etc., but not useless . .
Revivors and Rejuvenators are now obsolete. :o
Now THAT"S funny! ;D
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HAH! Obsolete, outdated, inefficient, etc., but not useless . .
Revivors and Rejuvenators are now obsolete. :o
Now THAT"S funny! ;D
Yea, kinda like urethane bowling balls.
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Touche, and exactly . .
HAH! Obsolete, outdated, inefficient, etc., but not useless . .
Revivors and Rejuvenators are now obsolete. :o
Now THAT"S funny! ;D
Yea, kinda like urethane bowling balls.
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Have you looked into one of the home revivors?
http://www.bowlersdream.com/homerevivor.html
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$200... Now that is an idea
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Gizmo -- I'm not familiar with the detox, where can I find some information about it? -- JohnP
The Jayhawk Detox
Here Check this thread
http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/jayhawk-detox-check-it-out-t299926.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/jayhawk-detox-check-it-out-t299926.0.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfuRaHrpogE
For those that haven't seen it or heard of it yet. I don't know how much it costs, but the results appear to be there.
Price listed on the Jayhawk website is $1,795. -- JohnP
This was obviously a case of Old Timer's Disease
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Eh, not really, the Detox was just released a couple months ago.
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Gizmo, look at the quotes in John's last post. Look at the dates on the two quoted posts by John that are bracketing yours.
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Have you looked into one of the home revivors?
http://www.bowlersdream.com/homerevivor.html
For the $$$ this looks like a good buy. If your more of a diy person.....I (and im sure a bunch of others around here) did the same thing with a food dehidraytor, 4 extra rings and a digital temp guage for right at $100 and it works great.
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*Facepalm*
Gizmo, look at the quotes in John's last post. Look at the dates on the two quoted posts by John that are bracketing yours.