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lilpossum1

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Surface change thoughts
« on: August 23, 2022, 09:21:26 PM »
Hey everyone, Iím desperate to find something to combat this shot. Backstory: old wood lanes that were overdue to be refinished like 10 years ago. Thatís only a slight exaggeration, but the oil pretty much soaks into the lanes as soon as it is laid down. Iím rev matched, and I cannot get any sort of consistent reaction. Early read, canít keep a ball from hooking through the beak, itís ugly. What hits pocket one shot will leave a 6-10 the next. I tried a Spy and it was alright, but it cracked out quickly. Iíve used a raw hammer solid at 3k and that smoothed the reaction a bit, but was too early and too strong to carry. I have a blue coral venom with a 1 inch pin that is my best reaction, but is again too much.

 I know you generally want a little more surface on snappy shots to control the back end, but when you donít have hardly any oil, would I be better off trying to use the old newspaper sanding method to try to get the ball down the lane better? What about finding a polish with a slip agent? (Lol turtle wax anyone?)

 

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Re: Surface change thoughts
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2022, 06:55:10 AM »
Hi Lilpossum - Good question.  Do you see any other bowlers scoring well.  What ball are they using?  Coach Denny Gold Level ABE

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Re: Surface change thoughts
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2022, 07:03:42 AM »
Hey everyone, Iím desperate to find something to combat this shot. Backstory: old wood lanes that were overdue to be refinished like 10 years ago. Thatís only a slight exaggeration, but the oil pretty much soaks into the lanes as soon as it is laid down. Iím rev matched, and I cannot get any sort of consistent reaction. Early read, canít keep a ball from hooking through the beak, itís ugly. What hits pocket one shot will leave a 6-10 the next. I tried a Spy and it was alright, but it cracked out quickly. Iíve used a raw hammer solid at 3k and that smoothed the reaction a bit, but was too early and too strong to carry. I have a blue coral venom with a 1 inch pin that is my best reaction, but is again too much.

 I know you generally want a little more surface on snappy shots to control the back end, but when you donít have hardly any oil, would I be better off trying to use the old newspaper sanding method to try to get the ball down the lane better? What about finding a polish with a slip agent? (Lol turtle wax anyone?)

Maybe try a different center?  LOL!  Seriously though....if you can get a Twist by Brunswick or Tropical Surge by Storm they might be your best bet.  Dont think of just surface as a way to control the backend.  There are layouts like your 1 inch pin Venom but there are also cores with really low differentials that do the trick as well.  The diffs on the Twist and Surge are .018 and .024 both in 15 lbs. 

I have a Deep Freeze where the diff is .028 and even though it is a shiny reactive; it quickly became my favorite ball because I could square up in the track with it and even with my 500+ rev rate; it had a nice easy controlled motion (almost urethane like).  Best part is that it worked extremely well on both house and tournament patterns.

The Twist and Surge will be a step down from the Raw Hammer but give you similar controllability as the Spy. 
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lilpossum1

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Re: Surface change thoughts
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2022, 04:34:55 PM »
No one is scoring well 😂 with any sort of consistency, and I wonít switch houses because the league im on is like a big dysfunctional family lol. I very well could go the twist route. Something has to give. I have a purple hammer sitting around, but I didnít want to use that because the span doesnít complete my match my other stuff. And urethane reads the heads super early. I think Iíll just suck it up!

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Re: Surface change thoughts
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2022, 11:36:47 PM »
When I see shots like you describe, the older the ball the better. The more oil soaked the ball is the better.

A one inch pin also would be a good way to go or a barbell drill with a little surface on a ball.
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Re: Surface change thoughts
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2022, 11:52:04 PM »
When I see shots like you describe, the older the ball the better. The more oil soaked the ball is the better.


This is what I had been considering for a second shift league that didn't have enough volume and shape to begin with. I had been searching on eBay and FB groups for earlier 2000s reactives, my thinking was a Twist wasn't going to be quite dynamic enough knowing the right side was a blown open canyon.