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Ric Clint

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You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« on: February 15, 2004, 02:01:02 PM »
And it said something about that most of the PRO's and REGIONAL guys love it for a polish. And how it doesn't change the grit of the ball, it just adds polish (meaning if you sand a ball to 600 and then apply Black Magic afterwards, that the ball stays at 600 underneath the polish)... some polishes out there have some type of abrasive in them that smoothes out the surface as it's polishing the ball.

So it looks like you could take a ball and sand it down really low to like 320-400 and then use Black Magic and the ball would have length and MORE backend than if you used some other type of polish.

The Black Magic polish would give the ball length for extra energy retention while the 320-400 sanded finish UNDERNEATH the Black Magic would give it more "grip/bite" in the backend therefore making the ball turnover harder...???

Agree... or am I way off base on this???






Edited on 2/16/2004 6:04 AM

 

jensm

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2004, 06:07:58 AM »
Ric,

I have done what you describe on a few occasions: I sanded an Apex Aggression down to 400, rolled it a for a game or so, put on a touch of Black Magic using a spinner and rolled a game. The Black Magic got me several feet of length and a sharper backend. Did the same with a 1500 surface, got more length again and again more bite in the backend.

However, I don't know if if was the added length that resultet in more backend or if it was the difference in grip/bite. My guess is that it would depend on the condition.

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2004, 09:02:57 AM »
Ric,

What you wrote was my original understanding of Black Magic. How it did that, I did not understand either. When I first used it and for a long time thereafter, I seemed to get the expected results. In fact, so much so, I felt confident recommending it to fellow ballreview inmates.

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lately, the last 3 months, I have been using it less and less, because the results when using it have been more inconsistent. Maybe I should try some controlled experiments, but at this point in time, I cannot recommend it without some reservations.
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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 09:08:41 AM »
Charlest, I'd like to hear what kind of inconsistencies you've seen, for future reference. I've been using it lately, along with Elixir reapplied every so often. I always lightly scuff with a green scotch bright and clean the ball well before I apply either. So far I've gotten exactly the results mentioned by Ric and jensm.
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jensm

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2004, 10:43:04 AM »
charlest,

I'd also like to hear about your experiences with inconsistencies using Black Magic. A bad batch or?

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2004, 12:50:34 PM »
I've done a few balls where I put on a slightly heavier than normal dose of Black Magic and I got a LOT more length and a lot more ERRATIC backend. I did not change the cover and this happened on at least 3 different balls; sorry, can't remember which ones. This is why I did not want to get into more details until I ran some controlled tests, which I don't have time for right now. I need to make sure what happened was not my fault thru application or thru execution. So for me personally, I am just not using it; I have enough other bowling problems.

If you have seen nothing untoward happening, continue using it as you have been. Hey, don't mess with with what works.  It may be a couple of months before I get a chance to do these tests.

Let me emphasize that:

If you have seen nothing untoward happening, continue using it as you have been. Hey, don't mess with with what works.

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Edited on 2/16/2004 1:47 PM
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jensm

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2004, 04:42:26 PM »
I have found Black Magic to be slightly "softer" than automotive polishes. By this I mean that I get slightly more shine from an automotive polish than I get from Black Magic (given the same sanding grit, the same time on the spinner and the same pressure used).

I haven't tried Finesse-It because 3M doesn't have distribution of it here in Sweden.


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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2004, 02:40:48 AM »
Anyone one with any comnments on the ebonite ractory finish polish..?  Wear-wise?
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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2004, 01:40:25 PM »
I was at a Storm seminar with my girlfriend who was getting lessons. Anyway the Storm rep there said that Black Magic polishes used in conjunction with STORM RESIN BALLS kill the reaction of the ball. Something about the material in storm resins and the properties in Black Magic polish dont mix well. Just food for thought.
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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2004, 06:53:09 AM »
I wanted to add to this thread that since it was started I have polished my Blueberry Saw with Black magic twice. The first time I used it, it added a light gloss to the ball, and didn't seem to affect the reaction in any adverse way. The second time I applied it I definitely noticed a negative effect on the balls reaction. I've since wet sanded, and now I'm trying to decide between taking it to the pro shop and getting another brand of polish. Any recommendations?
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charlest

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2004, 07:02:16 AM »
quote:
I wanted to add to this thread that since it was started I have polished my Blueberry Saw with Black magic twice. The first time I used it, it added a light gloss to the ball, and didn't seem to affect the reaction in any adverse way. The second time I applied it I definitely noticed a negative effect on the balls reaction. I've since wet sanded, and now I'm trying to decide between taking it to the pro shop and getting another brand of polish. Any recommendations?
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Ebonite ball? Use an Ebonite polish:
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Storm ball? Use a Storm polish.
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/cp/storm/

Brunswick (Lane1) cover? Use a Brunswick polish!!
http://www.bowlerschoice.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Bowlerschoice&Product_Code=BBP&Category_Code=Cleaners+%26+Polish

Columbia (Track, Nuline, AMF) cover. Use Track or Degree polishes:
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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2004, 07:08:53 AM »
Kendog, it seemed to me the Storm polish done a good job in Florida.  Its what I use on my Lane 1 stuff. Course I probably wouldn't recognize an adverse reaction if it bit me in my ........
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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2004, 11:33:36 AM »
I too had the same experience using Black Magic on the Blueberry. Finally gave up on the ball and sold it.
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kendog

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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2004, 11:39:12 AM »
brick, you can bet I won't give up on this ball very easy, I just rolled a three with it a month ago. Right now I've got it wet sanded and I'm probably going to take it to the pro shop and get it shined up along with my Thing Returns.
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Re: You know... I was just reading about BLACK MAGIC...
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2004, 11:44:38 AM »
Ken. I had the same thing happen on my X-Factor. I blamed Storm, but maybe it wasn't the ball, maybe it was the polish........I now use Storm Xtra Shine and Storm steps 1-2-3. I believe Doug Sterner uses Storm Polishes also without any problems.
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