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And1_headach

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315 degree layout
« on: August 31, 2006, 05:00:22 AM »
what can i expect?


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jimensminger

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2006, 01:03:35 PM »
smooth arcing reaction,...probably early rolling.

Edited on 8/31/2006 12:59 PM
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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2006, 01:05:38 PM »
And1,

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php?id=11

This link tells you ALL about that layout.... check it out
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Ragnar

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2006, 01:05:56 PM »
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usually I use this for a smooth arcing reaction,...


ditto for me.  Supposedly this will be a bit more forgiving of errors at release - I think this is true.
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livespive

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2006, 11:37:49 PM »
I use it on a charcoal executioner,
and it's money.

I have been on the rollrite site and agree 100%
with the descrition.
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1fife

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 09:50:12 AM »
not to hijack a thread

but i have a delta dule set up 315 -put pin above fingers

wondering  if

pin is to high(i did this to delay it some)?
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is a delta rule to large a hook ball to do a 315?
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livespive

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2006, 06:38:41 PM »
Actually it is the stronger ball that you should be using it one,
to tone it down some.
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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2006, 07:21:43 PM »
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it's on my hotrod - does not overreact


This has been discussed before, using it on a symmetric core is absolutely pointless.
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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2006, 03:01:55 PM »
whats should be  Pin to PAP ?
I have t Trifecta 0" Pin want to try it on.
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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 11:10:24 PM »
Anyone ever try a 315 on a 3" pin? Seems like it would lay out like a full roller layout.
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300_behind_bars

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2006, 09:05:13 PM »
I found this on bowlingball.com:

UNIQUE BALL LAYOUT: PIN UNDER THUMB IN TRACK

 
There have been many questions about this drilling and the purpose of the layout. First of all this drilling happens to be nothing new. We have used it to reverse the flare for Full-Roller releases for quite some time. This layout allows the flare to move away from the fingers instead of towards them. Using it for non Full-Rollers is the only unique aspect of the layout.
We have always liked the different move this layout makes to friction. The move is less lateral, meaning the ball seems to make a more forward move down lane rather than a sideways move. Due to this we use this layout when we want to see particular bowlers use less angle through the front part of the lane. We have also observed a different move through the pins than that of positive axis layouts. When we want to reduce the move through the pins we have had success using this layout.
Because of the arc shape difference we have been able to attack the higher friction boards from a different angle. It has been successful when we see a bowlers head and belly not matching up. You can hook this layout, but when you are over projecting this layout your carry will suffer. The biggest challenge when using this layout is the transition moves a bowler needs to use.
Parallel moves work better than typical 2 and 1's. Speed is also an advantage when using this layout. Just because the ball sees early friction a bowler can not be tempted to move too quickly. Throwing it harder and maintaining lesser angles through the front part of the lane are advisable.
For those that wish to experiment with this layout. You will need to be very selective with the pin to CG distance. We start with the longest pin to CG distance we can with a minimum of 4 1/2 to 5 inches (this is very relative to the length of the bowlers span). Static weights are a concern and using the depth of the fingers and thumb will help keep the ball within legal limits of ball specifications.
Caution: Reversing the flare will in many cases cause the track to flare over the thumb hole. To avoid this you need to lower the pin placement. The theory by Ray Edwards in the R & D department at Brunswick is to draw a line between the pin and the positive axis point. This line needs to be 1 1/2 inches beneath the backside of the thumb hole.
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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2006, 04:54:03 PM »
Used 315 degree layout on a Dyno-Thane Barrage with a pin-in (.5 inch) ball.  The ball seems to read the entire lane and gets into an early roll.

Now if my bowling mates would just stop trying to sneak it out of my bag on me...

Seriously though, I love the overall reaction of the ball.  On certain conditions, the ball really makes me look good.
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JohnRobertAllJr

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2006, 06:42:57 PM »
I thought the whole purpose of this layout was to be used on a pin out ball? I am wondering with a pin in ball, is this not just a label drilling?
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livespive

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Re: 315 degree layout
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2006, 01:38:20 PM »
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I thought the whole purpose of this layout was to be used on a pin out ball? I am wondering with a pin in ball, is this not just a label drilling?


They say it is for a pin in ball.
KOTM says you can do it with any ball
you just have to watch your weights.
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