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Jeffrevs

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3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« on: September 01, 2003, 05:30:51 PM »
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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2003, 10:44:54 AM »
Jeff -- The main problem with a 3/4 drill for a full roller is that the flare will cause the track to hit the thumb and/or finger holes.  By placing the pin at approx 7:30 from  the grip center, the flare "reverses" itself from a 3/4 flare, and flares away from the thumb and fingers of a full roller track. -- JohnP

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2003, 10:59:05 AM »
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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2003, 11:39:46 AM »
Depends on where they placed the pin.

If you had a pin in near the center of the grip, then the pin would be on the track of a full roller, there would be no imbalance and no flare.

As you move the pin to the right and/or up you would create imbalance and flare and as JohnP said the flare then pulls the track towards the holes.

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2003, 11:14:55 PM »
thanks John, so the full roller drill "optimizes" the release, correct ?

A full roller tracks around the complete circumference of the ball.  The full roller drill puts the pin and thus the core in a position to enhance the ball's performance without flaring over the finger/thumb holes.  About all  the full roller bowler can do with the release is to increase/decrease the revs on the ball. -- JohnP

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2003, 12:22:48 AM »
Here is a really good observation/question......with a ball rolling over the thumb hole, or middle finger hole----with as strong as the equipment is today do you think it really has a dramatic affect on the ball at the pins or even the hook potential?

I have a friend that was full roller and he decided he wanted to drill a ball for 3/4 roll. He had one drilled that way, a Storm Eraser Boost. The ball still covered boards and hit very hard. He left fewer 10 pins.......and 8-10 splits. I do not think with the equipment that is on the market today and how strong they are that it is as bad to roll over the thumb hole as it was with urethane, rubber, or polyester.

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2003, 08:45:33 AM »
Maybe they are better than before but why roll over the holes if you don't have to?

If the ball hits the thumb just before entering the pocket it will be slightly airborne allowing for extra deflection.

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2003, 10:56:03 AM »
Most bowlers don't like to hear the ball hitting a hole, even if it doesn't affect the performance.  They will, whether consciously or unconsciously, try to prevent it by changing their release.  A 3/4 roller can do that fairly effectively by modifying the release position (from 5:00 to 4:00, for example), but a full roller doesn't have that luxury, and can get very frustrated and really screw their game up.  If he can stand the thumping, it probably doesn't really affect the performance much.  --  JohnP

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2003, 09:58:40 PM »
Well, the guy I was talking about who wanted a ball drilled for 3/4 rolls early over the thumb, maybe the first 2-3 revs and the rest of the lane there is no thumping.

I completely agree that the thumping sound is something they would have to get past. I hate it when I hear someone thump. However, I just do not see the ball hitting a finger or thumb hole hurting the game as much as it did with older equipment.
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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2003, 10:34:14 PM »
My wife is a full roller with 3/4 roller drills on her balls. No thumping, she gets great reaction from them. She is currently throwing an X-Factor CG in palm (more under ring finger than direct center) pin at 3 o'clock from the ring finger, Hot Rod drilled fairly close to the same as the X-Factor, and an Icon2 Cg kicked out about 1.5 inches, pin at about 1 o'clock to the ring finger, has a weight hole.

Her track goes right across her palm, pretty much exactly between her finger and thumb holes. Which would give her about 3 inches of flare room.

Hope this helps,

Ty

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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2003, 01:13:37 PM »
Without a doubt drilling for a full roller should be drilled with the 7:30 pin. The 7:30 pin is the equal to a 3 3/8 of a 3/4 roll. For more length most it further away from the center of grip or move it a little closer to the thumb.


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Re: 3/4 Roller Drill for a Full Roller
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