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JessN16

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Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« on: January 27, 2012, 07:31:19 PM »
I'll try to make this as short as possible -- over the past 6 months, I've developed multiple pain issues while bowling. Wrist, hand, forearm and elbow.
 
For a long time, I subconsciously knuckled the ball. When I was younger, I got away with it. I'm no longer getting away with it.
 
The main problem is that I cannot get a good feel in the ball. My thumb alternatively sticks and slips inside the thumbhole. Using smaller-size holes only makes the sticking worse, while using larger holes plus tape only makes the slipping worse.
 
Currently, cut-to-cut, my middle finger span is 4 1/8 and my ring span is 4 1/4. My thumbhole is pitched 1/8 reverse and 1/8 away, and these numbers haven't changed in 20 years. Although I drill my own stuff, I recently enlisted the help of a veteran driller to measure me and give me his opinion on how he'd fit me, and he says my current pitches appear, on the surface, to be correct.
 
But the pain I'm feeling says otherwise. Most of it is concentrated on the palm side of my wrist, on the top side of my wrist directly behind my pinky finger, and in the forearm muscle just below the elbow joint. When I squeeze something, it all hurts worse.
 
I've tried different kinds of tapes, I've put Magic Carpet in thumb holes, I've tried different ovaling and beveling. I've tried about a half-dozen wrist braces, and bowling with no brace. No relief. Now it's getting worse instead of better.
 
Recently, the problem grew into a quality-of-life problem. I had to sleep in an elbow-immobilizing brace every night because, for about two months, I had a major flare-up of tennis elbow (I don't play tennis) aggravated by bowling.
 
The only thing I can think of left to try is different pitching in the thumb hole. I want to have a very relaxed grip. The predominant feeling I get when I bowl now is that I'm having to grip the ball for all it's worth. But if I add tape to the thumbhole, it starts hanging up almost instantly.
 
What I need to know is by how much to shorten the span if I were to go from, say, 1/8 reverse to 1/4 or 3/8 forward. I plan to take the lateral back to 0. I've bowled with under lateral before, and it hurt like hell, so I think that's probably out. I'm also for taking other suggestions as to what might be the problem, but I'll warn you ahead of time, I've probably already tried everything else you can think of already.
 
Well, I didn't keep it short after all. Sorry.
 
Jess



 

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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2014, 10:17:20 PM »
I say white.

He says black.

You can bet on it.

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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2014, 10:27:18 PM »
Look up 'you're so vain' cause you apparently believe so...
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2014, 11:13:08 PM »
Kettle...you are right.

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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2014, 09:53:10 AM »
You can call me whatever you may choose...but 2 things I'll stick with...my resume backing up what I say to be true and I don't hide behind a screen name or hyperbole
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2014, 12:02:52 PM »
LL & all,

Nord was already in a painfully poor conventional and was considering quitting.  I just made some suggestions to help put his hand in a better position so that he could continue to enjoy our sport.  Perhaps we'll get him into a fingertip this summer...

Keep up the good bowling Nord!

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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2014, 12:52:18 PM »
“You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.”
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2014, 07:56:29 PM »
Resume?   Backing up what you say to be true?

Luckylefty
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2014, 01:32:20 PM »
Resume?

http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/author/ric-hamlin/

"Ric Hamlin is a bowling industry veteran with many years of experience as an elite bowler, pro shop operator, and coach. Ric was the assistant manager of the Storm / Dexter / KR booth at the 1995 ABC National Tournament, the Director of Pro Shop Operations for the Coast Casinos / The Orleans from 2000 to 2003, Brunswick’s Northwest Product Specialist from 2003 to 2008, and he is currently a Sales Specialist for Steve Cook’s Bowling Supply. Since 2005, Ric has been the Assistant Coach of the Fresno State Bulldogs. He is the co-founder of Hamlin Yamasaki Bowling Concepts and he is the co-author of both Head Games: the Mental Approach of Bowling and Sports and (r)eVolve, a technical course on fitting, drilling, layouts and ball motion."

Fitting (as to relate to the OP).

Layouts (as to relate to "cgnomaddah")

Pretty strong......
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2014, 02:01:11 PM »
That is a nice resume.  Are you him?

I know ballreviews for quite some time let "Pro" bowlers have multiple identities so they can....?
Well, I never figured the so they can.....part out.  He must be glad to have you as his friend and promoter or as another post identity.

From his ID out here one would never know all these accomplishments, I guess he is very humble. 

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I never said he didn't know anything.  Oh, his book has his fitting rules in it?  His flare adjusting rules in it?  Is that a second book from Head games? Never knew that till your post.  PS I am happy for him that he was able to keep working in the bowling industry. 
PPS millions of people are still being fit with the Bill Taylor rules and are throwing the ball quite well.  He was quite smart old codger in his day!
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2014, 02:07:38 PM »
First if all your simple insults are that SIMPLE...and a majority of bowlers will or do not know they've been fit incorrectly and yes I did author a book, which has done quite well thank you, that covers fitting and layouts...they give very good guidelines
Glad you choose to use an outdated book over an advanced progressive technical manual...that covers today's game and bowlers comfort over one scribed 40 yrs ago...but then again I do this as a living and you, well don't
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2014, 02:11:09 PM »
And thank you Good Times for applauding my accomplishments...at least someone believes I've axcomplished something...
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2014, 02:49:25 PM »
Just,

I didn't even know you were employed in the bowling industry still, congratulations that is not easy these days I hear.

Did I mentioned too humble above....scratch that.

"Cryptic and Caustic"....I wonder if words like that have ever been said in the air before.?  For example some people when hearing the name of Bill Taylor might have said, "Bill was a great figure in the sport and a pioneer".  "His concepts were close to  today's on fit and are the foundation many other's have built on".  Have you ever considered an approach similar to that?  Something to think about....?

A book on fitting and flare adjustment?  is that a different title than "Head Games"?  ie the title "evolve"?

I read a book called Revolutions and Revolutions 2....not bad.  Does this book agree with all of your views?

Not employed in the bowling industry is true!  Admirer of those that are, much like being a Minister or social worker not much pay, a lot of desire to help.  I would never go that way, but can still admire.

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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2014, 02:55:00 PM »
My book is (r)eVolve and what it's about is inside it...

You have your views and I have mine...you can use any words you choose to attack my comments...I'm good...thus why I tend to ignore many f them

And again I don't hide behind a screen name nor do I have multiple logins
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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2014, 03:18:15 PM »
That is a nice resume.  Are you him?

No, I'm just entertained at the old conventions people still embrace in the face of empirical evidence by multiple people who truly know their MODERN craft.  (Rico, Doom, Kidlost, BrunsNick etc) Why do they all reach a consensus on these topics?

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Re: Another forward thumb pitch dilema...advice, please.
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2014, 03:41:10 PM »
Most tend to not want to admit that others know more than they do or ever will...
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