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lefty50

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Basic Top Weight question
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:56:44 AM »
I know I should be able to find this simple answer, but it escapes me at the moment.

In the old days, the rule of thumb used to be that minimum top weight was preferred for oily lane conditions in order to get the ball to turn sooner, while more top weight pushed the ball down the lanes and seem to continue thru the pins better.

Notice that I said "in the old days". These days, what (if anything) can be attributed to a ball with the maximum top weight after drilling as opposed to a ball with zero top weight or slightly bottom weight.

Thanks
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ImBackInTheGame

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 11:01:28 AM »
"these days" I don't believe that static weights (that are within the USBC min/max) have any affect on ball motion.
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 01:31:37 PM »
Static weights are still on the list on what makes a ball hook, but way down the list.  Today Top Weight basically means how big the weight hole will be.  The more top, the larger and deeper the hole.
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lefty50

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 01:49:32 PM »
Thanks guys...
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2014, 08:00:43 PM »
I couldn't disagree more.

Doubt it? Roll a bottom weight ending static ball on dry.

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Luckylefty
In the modern era I've had 0/0 balls after drilling give me the smoothness needed to really control what other better competitors couldn't do.  $  One of my drillers a multi regional champ creates good ball reactions for his bowlers by customizing these statics for our house.  Without the right surface/drilling/finish and ending statics and weightholes for flare control, you are giving up an edge to your competitors.
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 08:11:43 PM »
As usual you are wrong...you are basing your results on non-educated tests...
Unless you do actual testing do not make 'educated' responses please
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 08:37:16 PM »
Does anyone give credit to the results given by blueprint software????

When using the trial version I tested identical layouts and only adjusted the static weight within usbc guidelines. From 1oz pos side weight, to 0 side weight, to 1oz neg side weight. Ect ect. I could get up to an almost full board difference.

It also showed adjusting ball surface to be one of the best ways to tweak ball reactions on a drilled ball. X-hole locations were second.
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 08:46:40 PM »
99% of ALL bowlers can't release the bowling ball the same way twice more or less once and something that translates to less than 5% in overall reaction they still stress over...
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 08:59:01 PM »
I stress over leaving 7s, 8s, and 9s. 10 pins I expect. I wish I could blame static weight for it.
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 09:01:59 PM »
It's ALL their fault...everyone of em!
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2014, 09:13:49 PM »
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2014, 09:38:40 PM »
Actually have tested much like a Brunswick video where weightholes were filled and new ones drilled.

But I guess all anyone need do is bowl with some bottom weight balls on dry and enjoy.  Or Super high top weight balls on oil.

Bon Appetit.

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Luckylefty
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 10:15:15 PM »
1/32" shift of the core from the true center of the mass equals 1oz or 1" pin out...
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2014, 10:51:40 PM »
To not take advantage of every last item to have an advantage only makes sense.

If only 5% of reaction today is top weights bottom weights etc, why not have it?

Again, throw bottom weight on dry conditions and compete other against other equally talented bowlers who use the proper top weight and I like their situation.over you.    I'll be surprised if you hang.  Throw against someone you are much better than, you probably win still!

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2014, 10:59:27 PM »
The fact you give static weight that much credit for dry conditions is interesting. I would not.
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