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Smokey469

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Drilling for no-thumber
« on: September 30, 2008, 01:19:47 AM »
There's a guy on my Friday night league that needs some advise.  He's a no-thumer and will not even entertain the thought of changing, believe me I've tried.  Problem is like many he struggles to keep the ball on the lane.  Over the summer he bought a new Cherry Vibe, and had it drilled pin over ring, he loved it at first(on oil) but now the shot is drier and he can't use it.  I was thinking of recommending he get it drilled pin up over the bridge, but the ball only has about a 2.5" pin, so I don't believe that will make enough of a difference from what he's got on it now.  So what do you guys think about a pin-axis drilling, or maybe rico?  Would these even work for him?  Any help is appreciated...
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2008, 06:13:26 PM »
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Believe me, if this thing had any more polish, it'd be a marble!


Then let him throw a marble if it's the way he needs his ball to be!
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2008, 07:58:09 PM »
With a no thumber, if there is no thumb hole drilled the center of the bridge is now the center of the grip. secondly. placing more polish or the pin farther away might not help. he might want to look at an asymetrical and using a control layout closer to his axis point. 1 1/2 to 2 inches off his axis point with a MB at 6 inches will give him something very controlable.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2008, 08:24:23 PM »
I would try some stronger balls with the pin drilled to the left of the middle finger.  This should take a ball that like to roll early and push it down the lane.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2008, 09:39:55 PM »
This thread is a great example of what too much resources in the hands of people with little knowledge can do.

People noon has addressed a PAP.  I have a buddy that posts on here (twohand834) that has a PAP of like 6 1/2"...if you put the pin "left of the middle finger" he would flare all over the ball.

THERE IS NO MAGICAL DRILLING FOR NO THUMBERS...TREAT THEM LIKE HIGH REV PLAYERS AND FIND AN AXIS POINT....

Drill based on the numbers....and enjoy.

Stop overcomplicating it...you're going to cause someone to waste a lot of money on equipment.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 09:52:50 PM »
I don't use my thumb and my driller just bases the drilling on my PAP and the reaction I want. If I want to adjust the surface, I adjust it.

It shouldn't really be that complicated.
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jbuzz31

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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2008, 10:51:38 AM »
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I used to use a low TW ball(2 oz or less) with pin about 3".  Drill fingers on cg to legal, no thumb hole.   Let the bowler switch between pin out and pin under.
 by flipping the ball around.


wouldnt that ball be illegal?
i thought all balls had to have three holes minimum
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 08:03:35 PM »
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I used to use a low TW ball(2 oz or less) with pin about 3".  Drill fingers on cg to legal, no thumb hole.   Let the bowler switch between pin out and pin under.
 by flipping the ball around.


That makes no sense...what makes pin up/pin down react differently is the holes altering the core dynamics.  If there is no thumbhole...you're not really altering the core.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 09:12:49 PM »
Just throwing this out, couldn't drill a ball for a guy who threw with no thumb.  He tracked above the fingers, Horizontally.  Couldn't really map anything out to be legal.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 08:55:18 AM »
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Just throwing this out, couldn't drill a ball for a guy who threw with no thumb.  He tracked above the fingers, Horizontally.  Couldn't really map anything out to be legal.
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We had a guy like this a few years ago....you can do it...but you have to think WAY outside of the box.  Pretend the weight hole is his thumb hole...and that his "thumb" hole is his weight hole.  If you visualize it that way you can make it normal.

His PAP was like 1" over 5" down....or something crazy like that.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2008, 01:19:33 PM »
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This thread is a great example of what too much resources in the hands of people with little knowledge can do.

People noon has addressed a PAP. I have a buddy that posts on here (twohand834) that has a PAP of like 6 1/2"...if you put the pin "left of the middle finger" he would flare all over the ball.

THERE IS NO MAGICAL DRILLING FOR NO THUMBERS...TREAT THEM LIKE HIGH REV PLAYERS AND FIND AN AXIS POINT....

Drill based on the numbers....and enjoy.

Stop overcomplicating it...you're going to cause someone to waste a lot of money on equipment.
I totally agree with Jabroni/Russell. OMG..!! =:^D
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T-GOD

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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2008, 01:27:26 PM »
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I used to use a low TW ball(2 oz or less) with pin about 3". Drill fingers on cg to legal, no thumb hole. Let the bowler switch between pin out and pin under.
by flipping the ball around.
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That makes no sense...what makes pin up/pin down react differently is the holes altering the core dynamics. If there is no thumbhole...you're not really altering the core.


Totally agreeing with Jabroni/Russell didn't last too long. If you flip the ball upside down, you will now have different pin to PAP distances, as well as high pin vs. low pin, which will both cause the ball to roll different without altering the core dynamics. =:^D
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2008, 09:13:06 PM »
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I used to use a low TW ball(2 oz or less) with pin about 3". Drill fingers on cg to legal, no thumb hole. Let the bowler switch between pin out and pin under.
by flipping the ball around.
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That makes no sense...what makes pin up/pin down react differently is the holes altering the core dynamics. If there is no thumbhole...you're not really altering the core.


Totally agreeing with Jabroni/Russell didn't last too long. If you flip the ball upside down, you will now have different pin to PAP distances, as well as high pin vs. low pin, which will both cause the ball to roll different without altering the core dynamics. =:^D


We agree on different pin to PAP differences here...that would change...probably.  Depending on PAP...

Now the pin up/down is an affect of the hole placement and the core manipulation.  The relation of the pin to the grip is not the variable...it's the placement of the holes.  If the holes are right around the pin...it won't make much difference what side they are on.  The thumbhole is the one that matters, because it cuts into the middle of the core.

Overall I think the difference is minimal, but not having a thumbhole makes the difference VERY minimal...ALMOST non existent....
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