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jkiser01

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RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« on: March 19, 2006, 06:50:10 AM »
In your opinion, which has the stronger backend reaction (skid/flip)..

I plan on just stacking the cg directly under whichever one I pick for my Road Hawg..
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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2006, 02:59:53 PM »
IMO, pin above thre ring, about 5 3/4 inches from your PAP, should give you a good skid/flip, but that's just MY opinion
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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2006, 03:08:07 PM »
Azguy is correct.  I have 3 Dooms.  I'm going to talk about two of them.  Lets call it like this.

Doom #1 pin above and in between the bridge(5.5" from pap) cg kicked right to 1 oz and no balance hole.

Doom #2 layout is stacked leverage but the pin is high above the finger line.  I think you know what i'm talking about.  I also have a balance hole drilled on my mid line past my pap.  My pap is 1/2" up so the balance hole is 1/2" down but past it about 1".  

The Doom #1 has the most back end.  The stacked leverage gives me more mid lane and still a strong back end.  The Doom#1 just has a little less mid lane and big back end.  You can see the difference when both of thses balls are thrown.  The stacked leverage one will hook more over all but not by a huge amount.  Both balls were in box condition when I saw these results.

I just got finished dulling the stacked leverage one and it willbe good for the heavier amounts of oil that I wanted it for.

I hope this helps. If you more back end then drill it with the pin above and further away from your pap.

If you want more over all hook then drill it stacked leverage.  The stacked leverage will give you more in the mid lane and will loose a little bit on the back end.

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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 09:43:20 PM »
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IMO, pin above thre ring, about 5 3/4 inches from your PAP, should give you a good skid/flip, but that's just MY opinion
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So which is it?  Pin above the ring or pin 5 3/4 inches from my PAP??

This is why you have to stop using your grip as a reference point for where to put the pin.  Pin over the ring finger is not the same for everybody.  Pin over the ring is about 4 1/2 inches for me.  5 3/4 inches would be left of my grip, or high up over my fingers.

AZ Guy, please try to use distance from your PAP with your customers and on the internet.

Not to hijack the thread, but the pin farther away from the PAP is going to save energy and with a strong ball, and the MB strong, will give you plenty of skid flip.

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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 05:51:16 PM »
I was answering his question...next to or above. No I do not know his PAP, it's not in the profile, I was making a statement that above would give more what he asked about. The figure I used, would place the pin well above his bridge, but only the person who drills for him knows all the info.

I was trying to help someone who asked a question, give him a starting point. I'll leave that to you in the future.

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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 10:40:21 PM »
Listen Azguy was giving him some advice.  It doesn't truly matter that he didn't know his PAP because the pin above would have giving more back end regardless of his pap.

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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2006, 01:16:47 PM »
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Listen Azguy was giving him some advice.  It doesn't truly matter that he didn't know his PAP because the pin above would have giving more back end regardless of his pap.


He wasn't arguing that, chi. Mike was just clearly stating that pin over ring and pin 5 3/4" from PAP may be two VERY different things for certain people.
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D Pat the posters question does not say anything about a pap distance.  He also doesn't mention 5 3/4" anywhere in his post.  There for AZGUY gave a general answer that is correct.  The pin over the ring will give more length and back end than pin beside the ring.  It doesn't matter what his pap is because the pin over the ring is further from any pap than pin next to the ring.

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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 12:04:38 AM »
Chitown, if you would take the time to read instead of spouting off at me, you would have noticed that I was replying to azguy's post.  Pretty sure that I quoted it.  I was trying to help him.  In no way was I trying to start an argument.  THEN, I made sure to note/apologize for changing the thread.  I answered JKiser's question too.  You put items in your original answer that JKiser also did not ask about, did anyone lambast you?  Nope.

If you would take the time to read all around this site, you would also have answers to some of your own questions, without posting them, but that is another thread.

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Re: RH drilling: pin beside ring or pin above ring>
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 07:50:22 AM »
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Chitown, if you would take the time to read instead of spouting off at me, you would have noticed that I was replying to azguy's post.  Pretty sure that I quoted it.  I was trying to help him.  In no way was I trying to start an argument.  THEN, I made sure to note/apologize for changing the thread.  I answered JKiser's question too.  You put items in your original answer that JKiser also did not ask about, did anyone lambast you?  Nope.

If you would take the time to read all around this site, you would also have answers to some of your own questions, without posting them, but that is another thread.

Sorry for all the problems.................

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Edited on 3/23/2006 1:05 AM


My bad Mike.  I just read again what you were refferring to.