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ccrider

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How to Measure For Rico Layout
« on: April 23, 2010, 02:26:12 PM »
Anyone seen a video on how to measure and layout the Rico layout.
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Doug Sterner

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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2010, 10:45:21 PM »
It's pretty easy.....the pin goes at your grip center and the cg is placed at a 45* angle into the thumb positive quadrant.

No PAP measurements or anything special needed.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 10:56:04 PM »
this is helpful, courtesy of Brunsnick
descriptions and layout picture

http://brunsnick.com/rico_ball_layout.html

http://brunsnick.com/images/ricolayout.jpg

Edited on 4/23/2010 10:57 PM
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2010, 01:45:09 PM »

you are right, that is simple.  I thought cg needed to be 45* angle from pap.  
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It's pretty easy.....the pin goes at your grip center and the cg is placed at a 45* angle into the thumb positive quadrant.

No PAP measurements or anything special needed.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2010, 02:01:35 PM »
To create the proper reaction you must drill the weight hole. Simply placing the pin in the center of the grip and CG at a 45 does not create the reaction, adding the weight hole does.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2010, 02:16:29 PM »
Justrico:  what's your opinion on using this layout on a symmetrical or asymmetrical ball?
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2010, 02:50:30 PM »
From Brunsnick''s webpage:
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I don''t believe in drilling out PIN''s or PSA''s, but some folks do. Instead, I choose to measure 1 1/8" towards the PIN from the PSA and put the X-hole there. This will alter the measurement to 5 5/8" from the PIN!
 



I did this on a Columbia Apogee and it looked like this:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/Nellil/15%20Pounders/Apogee02.jpg

Nice rolling ball..  

Don''t use it anymore though, gone down to 14 lbs..

Might plug my Kinetic and put the Rico layout on it...  

Edited on 4/24/2010 2:53 PM
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Doug Sterner

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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2010, 10:43:37 PM »
Justrico is correct...the hole needs to be placed at 6-3/4" from the pin on a line drawn from the pin thru the cg.

If using an asymmetrical ball and do not want to drill out the mass bias locator then you can move it closer to the pin so the MB mark is still visible.

Placing the weighthole 6-3/4" from the pin creates a significant alteration to the ball reaction.

What I have found is that the RICO layout enhances the natural tendency of the ball it is used on. The layout makes rolly balls rollier and snappy balls snappier.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2010, 10:57:41 PM »
The reason for the weight hole at 6 3/4" from the pin (and not at 5 5/8" or any other measurememnt) is that is the strongest point, in a symmetrical core ball, to create the strongest amount of asymmetry or reshaping and effecting the core dynamics. It creates a strongest smoother overall reaction and continuation.
This is the best explanation for the layout.

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Rico&printable=yes
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 05:01:14 PM »
"In a 45 degree angle in accordance with the bowler''s positive axis."

What does this mean. Is the 45 degrees from the midline or from the PAP.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 05:05:42 PM »
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Justrico:  what's your opinion on using this layout on a symmetrical or asymmetrical ball?
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I belive the Rico layout is used to make an asymetrical ball act like a symetrical.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 05:31:05 PM »
It's clear that there should simply be a link on the home page under profile or signature for this.

Place it directly under FAQ and label it "F2OAQ" for "far too often asked questions".  It also helps to utilize the search function.  I know there's not a ton of vids for this but there's got to be one somewhere.  www.brunsnick.com has the Classic Zone with a detailed pic of the layout buried in the vid.
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 05:34:20 PM »
ccrider, please don't take this as a slam against you.  It jusst seems to get brought up an awful lot and I think it should be something that's placed in a permanent link under "drillings & layouts".
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ccrider

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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2010, 09:24:53 AM »
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No offense taken and you are probably correct. I have Brunsnick's site as one of my favorites as there is much useful info there.

The one thing that has never been clear to me regarding the Rico layout is whether the 45* is the angle from the PAP or from the midline. There is a difference between the two. I have always assumed it is from the PAP, but some of the post above indicates differently.
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ccrider, please don't take this as a slam against you.  It jusst seems to get brought up an awful lot and I think it should be something that's placed in a permanent link under "drillings & layouts".
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Re: How to Measure For Rico Layout
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2010, 09:59:59 AM »
Most of what I've always read, and the way I drill it is 45deg off my PAP. Which is straight across and makes it rather convenient.
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