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rocky61201

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Hy Road adjustments
« on: March 08, 2017, 01:12:42 PM »
Long time lerker of this forum and finally decided to join because I really need some advice.  After 25 weeks in my current league my 1st game avg is 211, 2nd game is 223, and 3d game avg is 186.  After the lanes are burnt up I can't make it thru the middle to get to my breakpoint.  Ball is going thru the nose and leaving 4's, 3/6/10, splits, ect...  Even if I try to muscle it and keep it in the pocket I get no carry and weak 10's ect.

My 1st game ball on a fresh THS is a Hy Road pin down under my ring finger about 3 1/2 inches from my PAP, CG kicked out a little to the right.  I LOVE my Hy Road so I bought another one and drilled it pin up about 5 1/2 inches from my PAP, CG kicked out a little to right.

I got more length that I was looking for, but a TON more flair so I'm still going thru the nose.  I confirmed this by practicing after a scratch league got done so I could simulate a burned up house shot.  No adjustments I could make worked consistently with the pin up Hy Road.

Is there anything I can do like adding a flair reducing hole or taking some surface off and polishing the hell out of it?  I really don't feel like buy yet another ball but if I have to I'm looking at a Roto Grip Hustle SAY. 
« Last Edit: March 08, 2017, 01:14:59 PM by rocky61201 »
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2017, 01:19:24 PM »
Polish it and see what happens first.
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2017, 01:49:49 PM »
I tried to post a video of my shot using the pin down Hy Road on a fresh THS.  This forum doesn't like videos.  Just times out on me.

Anyway I'm a righty, medium ball speed about 16-17 mph.  I'm good at staying behind the ball and rev dominant probably about 375 or greater. I line up with slide foot finishing around 30, hitting the arrows between 20-15, and then down to the breakpoint and into the pocket. Changes a little depending on lane conditions but never more than a couple boards.  I'm a five step approach nice easy short steps up the left side of the approach and my backswing never goes higher than my hips.  A nice easy relaxed shot I can replicate consistently.  If I try to add power to my game I get inconsistent.

When the lanes start to get burnt up I'm about as far left as I can go and still stay in my comfort zone.  If I try to make moves to the right to find some oil that will give me some hold I'm out of my comfort zone and get inconsistent mechanics with my swing or get over/under reactions in the mid lane if I manage to get a good shot off. 

Like most people I would love to keep my same shot and line, just switch balls and finish out game 3.  Your help is appreciated.  I'm losing money on my brackets getting knocked out of the 3d game, lol.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2017, 04:55:54 PM by rocky61201 »
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2017, 11:34:43 AM »
Post your video on any hosting site (U-tube, for example), then post a link to it here.

3 1/2" pin to PAP should flare more than 5 1/2" unless you've added a flare increasing balance hole, I can't explain why yours flares more.

First try a higher grit surface, up to 4000, then try polish on top of that.  If neither works try a flare reducing hole.  Measure from the left side of your thumb hole 6 3/4" to the VAL.  Before drilling the hole stack 2 or 3 pieces of tape and throw the ball to be sure you're not going to flare into it.  Start with a small hole , say 5/8" x 2 1/2 - 3" deep, being sure to keep the static weights legal.  Increase the hole size in small increments until you get the flare you want.  --  JohnP

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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2017, 11:57:54 AM »
Why is the universal response on this site to "add polish"? Hit with 3000 pad and keep going down until the ball slows down enough.
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2017, 12:26:21 PM »
Thanks John.  My PSO drilled my pin down Hy Road and included a balance hole.  I'm not sure if it's a flair increasing, decreasing, or neutral.  I just know the pin up Hy Road gets farther down the lane and snaps a lot more than the pin down. Getting farther down the lane is what I need on game 3 when pin down doesn't make it across the lane to the breakpoint because it is breaking to early and rolling into the nose.  The pin up will make it all the way down to the breakpoint and then snap too hard into the nose.  Like I said I'm average speed around 16-17 mph.  Maybe I don't have enough power/speed for that ball in game 3.  But I ain't gonna try to increase speed and muscle it the way that ball is now.  Even worse results happen when I try to do that.

My PSO is a great bowler, coach, and driller so I trust the guy.  But I only get to see him on Friday's and this problem is bugging the hell out of me. So I had to join the forum and ask for help.  Just couldn't wait till Friday, lol.  Doesn't hurt to get a second opinion either.  When I see him on Friday I'll ask him what to do and compare notes with what your said. 

Getting accross the middle and farther down the lane in game 3 is why I suggested polish.  But  those adjustments don't cost anything.  I'll take the surface from 1k all the way up to 3k and even 4k before adding polish to find something that might work.  And then polish as a last resort.  And if all else fails get a weaker ball. 
« Last Edit: March 09, 2017, 12:33:04 PM by rocky61201 »
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2017, 12:40:50 PM »
Why is the universal response on this site to "add polish"? Hit with 3000 pad and keep going down until the ball slows down enough.

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When people have these violent reactions on the back end, they should be going with a lower grit.  Polish will force the ball to retain rotation and when a polished ball sees friction, it will try to burn off all that rotation quickly, especially with a "pin-up" drilling.  Going to say 3000 allows the ball to burn more rotation in the oil and not overreact when it sees friction.

Not sure how deep you can get, but a lot of times, bowlers would be better off going with a stronger ball when they move in real deep.  This way the ball strength will be adequate to make the turn.  Would be a more consistent reaction instead of having to split boards and be extra precise in ball speed.  HyRoad to a No Rules Pearl or something like that.

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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2017, 12:48:02 PM »
Why is the universal response on this site to "add polish"? Hit with 3000 pad and keep going down until the ball slows down enough.

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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2017, 10:54:01 AM »
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My PSO drilled my pin down Hy Road and included a balance hole.  I'm not sure if it's a flair increasing, decreasing, or neutral.  I just know the pin up Hy Road gets farther down the lane and snaps a lot more than the pin down.

High pins have a smaller angle to the VAL than low pins.  The smaller VAL angle makes the ball react quicker to friction, resulting in the snap you're seeing when the ball comes off the end of the pattern.  --  JohnP 

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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2017, 11:44:43 AM »
Thanks Jon, that simple explanation taught me something new.  If I would have known that I wouldn't have asked my PSO to drill it up that way because that isn't the reaction I was looking for when I bought this extra HyRoad. 

The pin down Hy Road works awesome for me.  As long as I throw it at least 80% correct it slams the pocket, plenty of forgiveness and plenty of carry.  I figured another HyRoad with a pin up drilling change would give me the option I was looking for.

I'll keep playing with the surface and probably a flair reducing hole to try and make it work.  If it doesn't I'll save it for another house with a different pattern.

« Last Edit: March 10, 2017, 11:47:39 AM by rocky61201 »
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2017, 12:30:19 PM »
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My PSO drilled my pin down Hy Road and included a balance hole.  I'm not sure if it's a flair increasing, decreasing, or neutral.  I just know the pin up Hy Road gets farther down the lane and snaps a lot more than the pin down.

High pins have a smaller angle to the VAL than low pins.  The smaller VAL angle makes the ball react quicker to friction, resulting in the snap you're seeing when the ball comes off the end of the pattern.  --  JohnP

Interesting. Im not a driller by any means. So if someone brought a symmetric ball in. They have a PAP 5 over 1/2  up and asked for the quickest response to friction, most angular drilling. What layout would you suggest?
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2017, 02:10:42 PM »
Thanks Jon, that simple explanation taught me something new.  If I would have known that I wouldn't have asked my PSO to drill it up that way because that isn't the reaction I was looking for when I bought this extra HyRoad. 

The pin down Hy Road works awesome for me.  As long as I throw it at least 80% correct it slams the pocket, plenty of forgiveness and plenty of carry.  I figured another HyRoad with a pin up drilling change would give me the option I was looking for.

I'll keep playing with the surface and probably a flair reducing hole to try and make it work.  If it doesn't I'll save it for another house with a different pattern.



Before adding any weight hole (a drastic change), try a 4000 grit surface, then  3000 grit surface and see if that puts some control on the backend. Surfaces more easily be changed back to original, while a weight hole needs to be replugged.

Because of the difference that pin-up drillings have (smaller VAL angle) vs pin-down drillings (larger VAL angle), you have to be very careful about the pin-PAP distance you use for the pin up drilling.

5 1/2" pin-PAP is already a reduced differential and thus, a reduced flare drilling. I'm not sure how much more a reduced-flare weight hole can reduce the amount of flare in your case. The fact, that you said it flares a lot, makes me wonder if the pin-PAP distance is truly 5 1/2"???
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2017, 03:26:28 PM »
I dunno.  About 3 months ago I bowled against a really good bowler who consistently shoot's 700's.  When I got a chance to play against him I noticed he did it almost effortlessly.  I could pull off a 700 once in awhile but it took a lot of work. 

So I changed a few things since that ass kicking and it's working out for the better.  I guess I need to have my PSO take a close look at my shot and measure everything again. 
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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2017, 04:40:37 PM »
Move your feet left with the pin up hyroad and you'll be good

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Re: Hy Road adjustments
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2017, 04:51:27 PM »
On the left lane I can make the move.  On the right with the ball return in the way I'm not good enough to step around it and pull it off. strike, spare, strike, split, strike, spare isn't gonna help much.   ;)

Just to clarify I'm only looking for a ball I throw on game 3 or at least the last few frames of game 3.  In one of my leagues more often than not, you've got 4 or 5 guys playing the same deep inside line and game 3 changes really quick. Especially if 1 or 2 of those guys is a two hander. 

I really want to make this ball work but I won't chase down this rabbit hole forever.  Too bad bowling doesn't have the equivalent of a "Golf Smith" store where you can go try dozens of different clubs for as long as you want before you make the purchase.  I would love to make it to a bowling demo day sometime, but haven't had the opportunity yet.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2017, 05:17:08 PM by rocky61201 »
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