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1239wsn

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label drilling?
« on: February 09, 2011, 10:29:27 PM »
I would like someone to give me their ingsight on a label drilling, or shall we say "straight up". I would like to know some of the advantages and also the disadvantages.



 

dizzyfugu

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Re: label drilling?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 05:12:39 AM »
The term "label drilling" comes froma time when ball labels used to be placed on the ball's CG, with no or little pin distance. To keep the ball legal, the CG was commonly placed in the palm, hence the name.

 

Today, placing the CG in the palm is stll a valid option, but ball technology (esp. core design) has advanced and old school label layout is a different thing than today - esp. with large pin distances.

 

Traditionally, the pin is placed in a 45° position from the CG - with (relatively) weak cores like pancakes or low RG diff. cores like the Faball Hammer cores this created (and creates) a smooth, continuous hook with a strong mid lane read and little back end, easy to read and a good beginner option because the ball will hook and you cabn drill a ball label with little regards to a player's PAP - The CG position makes sure the ball remains legal.

 

With today's much more potent cores and larger pin distances, you can create a VERY strong and early mid lane read - IMHO very suitable for long and oily patterns. But for a player with good hand it can make the ball hook and roll pretty early.

 

Another drawback of  a classic label setup ist the mass bias ending up in the track area. For a high tracker, this CAN (but must not) create a weird flare reaction, e. g. backwards flare or an inconsitent reaction over all.

 

To sum it up: good beginner option, smooth, controllable hook, arcing ball motion, potential early roll and burnout.


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Re: label drilling?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 07:33:02 AM »
I've been drilling labels on symmetricals lately.   Dont know why, but Ive been successful with it.  To me, it gives me the feedback Ive been looking for.  For what its worth, I am rev dom, medium to slow speed, and the label drills have been the reason Ive been hot lately.  Ive tried almost every layout (I drill my own stuff, so Im constantly experimently) and isnt ironic that I cam full circle back to label drills, Diz?    ??????


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Re: label drilling?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 08:05:26 AM »
"Label", "pin over fingers", "pin under fingers" or any other descriptive term that doesn't relate to the bowler's PAP all mean something different for each bowler.  --  JohnP



dizzyfugu

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Re: label drilling?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 08:08:57 AM »
No. The charm of the label layout is that it is very controllable and simple. You do not get a back end monster, but it is a very versatile option. It is IMHO just not the solution if you want a specific reaction, like a hockey stick hook, and I know youth bowlers who started with a ball drilled label and - after developing a serious release with rev dominance - just overpowered the ball, having it roll after half of the lane and losing a lot of steam, esp. when the pin is in a strong position. I also have a label ball in my arsenal - an NS² with a long pin distance, which is a great oil ball for me and my game.


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Re: label drilling?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 08:11:24 AM »
Very true JohnP, in my situation it works out to approx. 4 1/2 x 5 1/2
, or 4 x 5 1/2

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Re: label drilling?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 08:21:51 AM »

 



JohnP wrote on 14.02.2011 9:05 AM:
"Label", "pin over fingers", "pin under fingers" or any other descriptive term that doesn't relate to the bowler's PAP all mean something different for each bowler.  --  JohnP


Even though the classic label layout just ignores the PAP. IMHO, if you do not know anything about a player, get a ball, put the CG in the palm and put the pin wherever it ends up at 45° from the CG. The ball will be legal, it is a no-brainer - and unfortunately some pro shops just leave their customers with this solution because they are too lazy to measure PAP or a proper pin placement... Personally, I'd be suspicious if I ask for a certain reaction and  I get a ball drilled label from a pro shop. It will hook, yes, but in a very "generic" fashion.

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