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Aloarjr810

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Lateral pitch question
« on: May 28, 2012, 08:02:20 AM »
What is the affect of lateral pitch? Does one way or the other let your thumb out faster or slower?

I was reading where a guy said he has 5/8 left lateral, 1/8 forward and uncupping his wrist/hand made it easier for him to get the ball off his hand.


It just seem that 5/8 left lateral was a lot of left.

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 09:47:34 AM »
left lateral for a righty gets one out very quickly but not around the ball much.

There is an anatomical reason for lateral pitch.  The essence is if you grab a smaller coke bottle and your thumb points at your ring finger you are about a 3/8 lateral UNDER palm.  middle finger is 1/8 under palm and index finger is 1/8 lateral out.

Most of these ideas were very relavant if one had an old style FULL fingertip drilling.
More relaxed spans usually call for LESS lateral under thumb.  ie it is easier to get the hand around the ball if one goes to a semi fingertip span so more lateral out or less lateral under are called for when going to this type of shorter span that is more popular today.

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 10:41:58 PM »
Thanks for the reply. This came about from the a post in another forum "Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"" and the discussion about it and generating revs, cupping the ball and wrist strength.

here was his post
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After going through 6 different thumb hole pitches the last year (going from 0 lateral to 0 forward, to 3/8's forward, and eventually ending up at 5/8 left lateral, 1/8 forward), I think wrist strength while important is an overrated factor. How secure you are able to hold the ball in position, with your thumb, without grabbing onto it is key.

This tip is rather advanced. And it depends on your game. Although I have been working on releasing the ball like this myself. Haven't video taped myself doing it yet, but with the forward pitch I'm using, uncupping wrist makes it easier to get ball off my hand.
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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 08:06:57 AM »
Now Mo will tell you that adding left lateral to all your gripping holes will increase axis rotation and tilt for a right handed bowler.

Thus this means getting around the side of the ball more.

Who you believe, that is your choice.

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 09:35:54 AM »
Aloajhr jr,

Sounds like you'be got it down!

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2012, 04:14:25 AM »
any test for middle and ring finger lateral pitch ? say if coke bottle test of thumb is 1/8 lateral right, then what is the pitch with reference for MF and RF ?.. Mo also has the guideline to measure the fingers alignment with certain angle with center/mid line but so confuse that how to match up with the coke test together.

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2012, 10:23:58 AM »
As I undarstand Mo's procedure, for the base fit you get the thumb lateral pitch from the coke can test and the lateral pitch for the fingers from the fan chart.  The procedure and the fan chart can be found in the index, link below.  --  JohnP

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Proshop_Information#Fitting

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 02:53:33 AM »
thanks JohnP,

I know this "fan test" too but just thinking of how it co-related to the coke test, coke test is also mentioned in B Taylor book but he mentioned the MF / RF pitch should use 0 and 5/8 as starting point

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2012, 08:29:24 AM »
keep in mind, if you stray too far from what is the "right" pitch for your hand, you can encounter some pain in your fingers.  Modifying lateral pitch is usually part of a performance fitting process.  You can slightly change lateral to have a different affect on your release (raising or lowering your track) but do it in moderate increments.

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 07:41:23 PM »
XxX 12?

Could you attach a link or reference to where Mo says adding left lateral to "the" gripping holes adds axis rotation?

Does that include the thumb lateral?  I have NEVER seen that before though maybe I have seen this applying to just the finger holes for a righty?

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Re: Lateral pitch question
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 08:53:16 PM »
LuckyLefty is this what your looking for:
Pitch changes to adjust ball roll . . .
This info is from a session with Mo Pinel and Del Warren. They do advocate pitch changes to adjust ball roll.

They start with what some here have called the "claw" grip. That is, a bowler's standard fit will include more forward pitches and a shorter span than has been the norm for many over the last few years. When the thumb is fully inserted and the fingers are laid across the holes, the edge of the hole/insert close to the thumb will be between the first and second crease/joint. They feel that a closed hand can remain more relaxed and still hold the ball without grabbing.

Once the "standard" fit is determined, adjustments can be made as follows (for right handed bowlers, lefties need to reverse the lateral adjustments) :

* To Increase Rev Rate - add 1/8 forward to both fingers and 1/8 reverse to thumb

* To Decrease Rev Rate - add 1/8 reverse to both fingers and 1/8 forward to thumb

* To Increase Axis Rotation and Tilt - add 1/8 left lateral to all three holes

* To Decrease Axis Rotation and Tilt - add 1/8 right lateral to all three holes

* To Increase Roll for low track players - Add 3/8 reverse to middle finger and increase middle finger span by 1/16. Add 3/8 forward to ring finger and shorten ring finger span by 1/16.

* To Increase Axis Rotation and Tilt for very high track players - Add 3/8 forward to middle finger and shorten span 1/16. Add 3/8 reverse to ring finger and lengthen span 1/16.

* Two or more adjustments may be combined for more dramatic results.
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