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Mr Bass

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Need advice for a control drilling
« on: September 18, 2005, 09:28:57 AM »
Lately I've been struggling during my third games (during league) when the lanes break down. I'm planning on purchasing a Brunswick Rampage (pearl reactive) for this problem, although I haven't decided how to drill it. Would like to hear your thoughts. I am a high tracker, Stroker, medium ball speed and rev rate. I believe my PAP is about 4 1/2"...

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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 05:40:29 PM »
i would put the pin under the bridge and the cg stacked it will roll but not snap.
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2005, 05:59:01 PM »
5 inches from the pap with the pin under the bridge. Kick cg to 3/4 positive so you have room for a weighthole. Adjust surface as necessary.

Sure you don't want a drilling that allows you to move in and open up the lanes a bit when they break down?
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2005, 10:20:07 PM »
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5 inches from the pap with the pin under the bridge. Kick cg to 3/4 positive so you have room for a weighthole. Adjust surface as necessary.

Sure you don't want a drilling that allows you to move in and open up the lanes a bit when they break down?
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Sure that drilling would be nice Stan but pin under bridge won't help me. I've thrown maybe two different balls and they both roll over the fingers and thumb...
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2005, 07:27:05 AM »
If you can get a ball with a 3"+ pin I would suggest a drilling with the pin 2 to 2.5" from your PAP and the CG towards your palm / midline.  If a weight hole is required I would probably put it on your Midline / VAL.  Just remember to keep the pin above a line from your PAP to your ring finger.  I have had this drilling on a few different balls and it calms down really flippy conditions nicely.
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2005, 08:08:29 AM »
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I am a high tracker, Stroker, medium ball speed and rev rate. I believe my PAP is about 4 1/2"...


Mr. Bass--I'm not understanding how you are a high tracker with this PAP measurement????  To me this would be a lower tracker with 4 1/2" over PAP.  Are you up or down?

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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2005, 08:36:26 AM »
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I am a high tracker, Stroker, medium ball speed and rev rate. I believe my PAP is about 4 1/2"...


Mr. Bass--I'm not understanding how you are a high tracker with this PAP measurement????  To me this would be a lower tracker with 4 1/2" over PAP.  Are you up or down?

Scott


But, Scott, since he has balls drilled that track over the fingers, he probably is a high tracker and has no idea what number represents a high PAP. It's probably 5 1/2" or more.

Mr. Bass,

Read Goof's suggestion. That's a good control drill for a pearl, IF that pearl is right for the oil you face & your release. That drill should be good for a slightly earlier read with less backend - the essence of a control drill.
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2005, 10:17:35 AM »
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But, Scott, since he has balls drilled that track over the fingers, he probably is a high tracker and has no idea what number represents a high PAP. It's probably 5 1/2" or more.

 



I agree with your estimation Jeff.  

Mr. Bass--I'd go and get your PAP measurements so you know where you are going with layouts and such.  You can do a search and there is much info. on how to get your PAP measurement done correctly.  IMO...this information is paramount to fine tuning your ball selection and reaction.

A good pro shop guy will help you.

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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2005, 11:09:56 AM »
I'd also agree that your PAP is off a bit. I'm a high tracker, PAP is 5 5/8..you may be right, but I'd suggest a re-measure just to make sure before drilling up another to find that doesn't work well for you either.

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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2005, 05:17:54 PM »
Charlest: it was just two balls that clipped the fingers and were drilled pin under bridge. I've ditched them since then. The rest of my equipment is fine.

Next Level PS is my ball driller. I'm sure he knows my PAP or has a spec sheet on file; will send him a message. It's one of the ways I can reach him since he opened up his proshop @ Hy-Way Bowl (which is very impressive)
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2005, 06:24:20 PM »
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Charlest: it was just two balls that clipped the fingers and were drilled pin under bridge. I've ditched them since then. The rest of my equipment is fine.

Next Level PS is my ball driller.


Then I'm slightly surprised at this posting.

Lonce knows what he's doing; if you have any doubts, discuss it with him. He is a very reasonable individual. He wants to help you not only now, but for the future. So, whatever he and you work out will work, one way or the other, sooner or later.

If he's your driller, trust him; ask him all the questions you want and write down the answers.  He is not the bashful type; if, for some reason, he doesn't know, he will find it out and learn the answer in order to do the right thing AND to make you happy, for the long term.
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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2005, 10:46:11 PM »
Everbody Mr Bass profile is the following...

PAP 5 7/8 over 1 3/4 up  he was a full-roller but gave him a performance grip to increase is axix tilt.

Axis tilt: 10 degrees
Axis Rotation 50-60 degrees
rev rate 210-260
speed 16 mph
style  fluffer/ stroker

as for the Rampage i will drill soon i will lay it out with a 4 1/2PAD X 4 1/2MBD and 2.5 above the midline with the box finish.


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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2005, 11:04:02 PM »
Good to hear NextLevel.  Work on that axis tilt Mr. Bass.

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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2005, 11:36:25 PM »
Before he was 6 1/4 over and 2" up with zero degrees of tilt....(FULLROLLER)

Thanks CharlesT for the support, some say I'm one of the good ones in the state. but it's hard to get the respect i deserves because i don't have the name behind me.  


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Re: Need advice for a control drilling
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2005, 12:49:26 AM »
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Thanks CharlesT for the support, some say I'm one of the good ones in the state. but it's hard to get the respect I deserve because I don't have the name behind me.  
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Give it time, Lonce, give it time.

By the way, you should have the webmaster for www.nextlevelproshop.com, at least put your name and address on the current marker page while he's developing the website.

AND put it on your signature block, kind of like:
Lonce's Next Level Pro Shop
Highway (Hy-Way) Bowl, Union, NJ
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