win a ball from Bowling.com
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger  (Read 14659 times)

skbowl800

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 585
Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« on: September 27, 2009, 11:45:19 AM »
For a right handed bowler, what type of reaction would this type of drilling create?
--------------------
www.badrap.org
Logged

 

J_Mac

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6778
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 07:55:13 PM »
Depends on if the bowler is a stroker, tweener, or a cranker.

It would also depend on their PAP, axis tilt and axis rotation.
--------------------
If you were both cross-eyed and dyslexic, would you see okay?
Logged

skbowl800

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 585
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 08:07:38 PM »
ok, well, power tweener
380 revs
50 deg rotation
tilt-not sure but I track high and right around the center of the ball
pap is 5 3/4 over 0 up
--------------------
www.badrap.org
Logged

walterrayseggs

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 251
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 10:27:45 PM »
Depending on the ball, it may do nothing and flare backwards. That's awful close to tracking right over the pin. I had a Gravity Shift do that. It's awesome turning a ball into a paper weight.
Logged

skbowl800

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 585
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2009, 05:48:30 PM »
I was just wondering cuz I remember seeing a few pros use something like this a few years back.
--------------------
www.badrap.org
Logged

johns811

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1095
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2009, 05:56:55 PM »
I've got a storm Sure Fire drilled like that. Balls works well for me trying to play down and in. I think it might flare backwards because something it hits the thumb hole. The ball was used and free. I would never drill a new ball like that.
Logged

skbowl800

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 585
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2009, 06:14:30 PM »
So what do you guys mean by flaring backwards?  I have never seen this before.
--------------------
www.badrap.org
Logged

AdrianS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1122
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2009, 07:34:53 AM »
Pin has to be more than 6 3/4 away from pap for that doesnt it?
--------------------
Time for some REAL bowling!!!
Logged
Time for some REAL bowling!!!

Mike Austin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2057
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 12:12:57 AM »
I have a number of balls drilled like this.  For me, to get a Pin to PAP of 5 or 5/12, the pin will be left of my middle finger, this distance gets me very easy length.

Putting the pin under the fingers will make the ball change direction slower down lane.  I have a Fury Pearl drilled like this, CG is in the positive/thumb quadrant with a low X hole.  Still in box dullish, nice length, but a smooth, lazy arc on the back end.  Works great on fresh Cheetah, used it on broken down Scorpion this summer, playing between 4th and 5th arrow, but tight around 3rd arrow down lane.  Good hitting power, at least for me.

Same idea as pin on your grip line under the fingers, but just more length as the pin is farther from the PAP.

Your mileage may vary...
--------------------
Storm
Brunswick
Logged
Mike Austin's Bowling Dynamix Pro Shops
Inside Emerald Bowl
Inside Tomball Bowl
Track Pro Staff Member
Vise Grips Staff Member

kidlost2000

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5789
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2009, 01:48:55 AM »
Your looking at a 6-6.5" pin to PAP. That will create maximum length and for bowlers with hand a strong backend reaction.

You can keep the cg in the palm or if it is a longer pin kick the cg out and put the weight hole as needed probably somewhere just right of the thumb.(depending on the ball)

For many bowlers the ball will do not do much because they can't get it to turn over. If you can get it to turnover many times it will hook extremely strong on the backends. I've had problems with many bowling balls being too strong and uncontrollable on the backends with this pattern.

It's still used by a lot of pros today including Chris Barnes. Usually pin above or below the middle finger.
--------------------
" hand, don't step on the lanes without some "
Logged
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

Buzzhead

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2002
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2009, 03:42:59 PM »
I have an Emerald buzzsaw with this exact layout on it, and if it kills snappiness I am deathly afraid to see a strong drilled emerald on the lanes.....
--------------------
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!
Logged
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!

kmanestor22

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 969
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 06:55:34 AM »
quote:
Your looking at a 6-6.5" pin to PAP. That will create maximum length and for bowlers with hand a strong backend reaction.

You can keep the cg in the palm or if it is a longer pin kick the cg out and put the weight hole as needed probably somewhere just right of the thumb.(depending on the ball)

For many bowlers the ball will do not do much because they can't get it to turn over. If you can get it to turnover many times it will hook extremely strong on the backends. I've had problems with many bowling balls being too strong and uncontrollable on the backends with this pattern.

It's still used by a lot of pros today including Chris Barnes. Usually pin above or below the middle finger.
--------------------
" hand, don't step on the lanes without some "


I disagree with the strong backend reaction part.  My experience with this drilling is actually an earlier roll (compared to pin over middle finger)with a very tame backend.
--------------------
Where is the bait?  I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer
Logged

justink

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 238
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 02:48:48 PM »
I have one ball that I had drilled with the pin and cg stacked in the palm and I would have to agree with kmanestor22. This has created a VERY rolly ball with little or no reaction in the backend, since drilling it this way I haven't done much with it. Maybe I'll take it to league to night and play with it. I personally would never do this to a ball again, just did not do what I wanted it to.
--------------------
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."
-Gene Wilder
Logged
Justin Kluska
Staff A3 Member
Lane Masters/Lord Field

kmanestor22

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 969
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 03:06:03 PM »
Don't get me wrong.  This is great to have when lanes are dry or on a sport pattern where everything else is over-reacting.
--------------------
Where is the bait?  I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer
Logged

Bluff

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1011
Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 03:20:11 PM »
you got a right handed ball with a kwel layout
--------------------
"A man with no skills can be taught. A man with no honor, has nothing."
Logged
Pages: [1] 2
« previous next »