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67tbird

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Sarge Easter
« on: January 08, 2010, 03:51:01 AM »
Here's the deal... I bowled a tournament downstate on New Years, where I ended up playing very down and in... well for some reason, breaking my wrist that much put a lot of extra pressure on my ring finger, and now that whole side of my hand is sore. So here's the question... if I drill a hole for my ring finger below the normal one, turning my grip into a sarge easter, is it still legal? I'd like to do it until my hand feels better, then plug it. Also, I'd rather not do it to any of my good balls, I was thinking about doing it to an old urethane. Any thoughts?
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67tbird

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 01:03:39 PM »
ok never mind... I'm just going to do it. If it takes pressure off of the pinkie side of my hand it will be worth it.
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JohnP

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 02:22:19 PM »
Interesting question, though.  As best as I know it would be legal if the static weights are legal.  The "other" RF hole could be considered a balance hole.  Be careful, though, and don't let the bottom of the two holes come together.  A normal Sarge Eastere RF uses reverse pitch and I don't see how you could drill it without the holes joining.  --  JohnP
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 04:00:50 PM »
"JohnP wrote: Interesting question, though. As best as I know it would be legal if the static weights are legal. The "other" RF hole could be considered a balance hole. Be careful, though, and don't let the bottom of the two holes come together. A normal Sarge Eastere RF uses reverse pitch and I don't see how you could drill it without the holes joining. -- JohnP"

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10pin hater

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 04:36:22 PM »
i thought my driller once told me it was illegal to have more then 4 holes in a ball so if thats true you could only do it if you didn't have an x hole
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JohnP

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 08:18:11 PM »
You can have a hole for each finger, a vent hole for each finger, one balance hole and a mill hole for checking the ball's hardness.  Twelve holes total allowed.  I'm not sure having two RF holes would fit into the rules, that's one reason it's important not to let the holes touch at the bottom.  If they touch you couldn't count one of them as a balance hole since according to the rules it would be considered a vent hole and the max allowed size for vent holes is 1/4".  As long as they didn't touch I'd argue that whichever one I wasn't using was a balance hole.  --  JohnP
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67tbird

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 08:49:52 PM »
ok... this did NOT work. It would have, but my ball driller apparently didn't care enough to pitch the hole away from the ring finger AT ALL, they joined at the bottom (making it illegal), and the little material that was left at the top of the hole promptly cracked out after 3 balls. (practice shots, not thrown in league since it wasn't legal anymore). However, even though I won't let him do it again, I'm sure if he would have cared this would have worked fine. I did it to a test ball 2 years ago just so I could try both grips, without any issues. Just was never sure of the legality of it... thanks for the responses!
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JohnP

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 09:55:46 AM »
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You would also have to remove the insert from the already drilled fingertip hole.


Why?  Sarge Easter RF hole is conventional, so it wouldn't have a grip.

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I'm sure if he would have cared this would have worked fine. I did it to a test ball 2 years ago just so I could try both grips, without any issues. Just was never sure of the legality of it... thanks for the responses!  


The only way I can see to avoid having the holes touch is to use a lot of reverse in the fingertip hole and a lot of forward in the conventional hole.  True Sarge Easter uses reverse in the conventional hole.  --  JohnP
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bowler001

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Re: Sarge Easter
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 03:34:29 PM »
I wouldn't jump down your ball drillers throat just yet. Like JohnP explained, the sarge easter "requires" certain pitches. These pitches are likely the cause of the two fingers joining. Once again, like JohnP explained, you would have to pitch the two fingers opposite eachother to avoid this, and i highly doubt your ring finger had enough reverse pitch to allow you ball driller to use the recommended reverse pitch for the sarge easter. It's quite possible your ball driller cared enough to do it according to the instructions. Don't be so quick to blame. It was very clear from the start these holes would most likely hit.

Very first response from JohnP:
"A normal Sarge Eastere RF uses reverse pitch and I don't see how you could drill it without the holes joining. -- JohnP"
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