I use the sarge Easter grip, cause of wrist injury and being 68y/
o! My pap is 4-1/4" right x 1-3/4" up being right handed. My track is about 3" from my fingers and about 1-1/2" from my thumb. This isn't much different than when I used full finger tip, but my old pap was 4-3/4" X 1-1/8". I get more 9 counts, mostly 10 pins and some 7 pins. I've been using the same pin to pap distance as full finger tip and have no problem hitting the pocket. Any suggestions on changes to pin to pap distance and mb location on asymmetrical balls? Thanks for any advice and I've been drilling for years, but I tend to overthink my stuff!