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JessN16

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What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« on: May 25, 2008, 03:54:48 PM »
Just thinking out loud -- what happens to ball reaction if you have someone, say, with a PAP of 3.5 over and you place the pin beyond 3.5 inches?

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2008, 12:28:15 AM »
Nothing.  If you go beyond 6 3/4 no matter what the PAP is you will reverse flare.  I track fairly low, and ofter go beyond my PAP with my drillings.
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JessN16

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 02:35:15 AM »
I realized I might not have worded my original question clearly: I'm talking about pins placed beyond the VAL. Sorry for any confusion.

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The Bowlers Edge 2

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 12:24:53 PM »
doesn't seem like much of anything, i've drilled this domination which is a pin 1 1/2 past the val, http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/The_Bowlers_Edge/layouts/?action=view¤t=P1010123.jpg like that, and both got down the lane, reved up really well and had a huge move in the backend, i had a break pearl that had the pin on the val and it was very similar in reaction as far as i could see
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JessN16

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 02:49:24 PM »
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doesn't seem like much of anything, i've drilled this domination which is a pin 1 1/2 past the val, http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/The_Bowlers_Edge/layouts/?action=view¤t=P1010123.jpg like that, and both got down the lane, reved up really well and had a huge move in the backend, i had a break pearl that had the pin on the val and it was very similar in reaction as far as i could see
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Thanks. By the way, what's going on with the next ball in that album, pic #20? The one with the Storm logo in the middle of the grip?

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 03:13:00 PM »
315 degree secret agent. cg is by the x hole.
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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2008, 03:28:00 PM »
For me it created reverse flare,almost turned me into a full roller.
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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2008, 05:31:42 PM »
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315 degree secret agent. cg is by the x hole.
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What's the point in using that layout on a Secret Agent? This is a layout that only takes advantage of the strong PSA in asymmetric cores.
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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2008, 05:50:06 PM »
obviously not
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JessN16

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2008, 05:59:50 PM »
I've seen some suggest 315 is a good way to take advantage of a 0-1" pin symmetric but I have never tried it. Is that true?

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 06:03:02 PM »
correct, the shorter the better, however the top weight the ball starts with is even more important than that, since you'll have to drill out the extra finger weight. I've used it on 3 balls, 1 asy, 2 sym, and the asm was HORRIBLE, the other 2 are 2 of the most even rolling/hook/controllable bowling balls i've ever used
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JessN16

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 06:06:29 PM »
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For me it created reverse flare,almost turned me into a full roller.


That's what I was thinking about when I first mentioned pin beyond the VAL. I was wondering specifically if it would invert the flare.

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JessN16

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 06:06:55 PM »
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correct, the shorter the better, however the top weight the ball starts with is even more important than that, since you'll have to drill out the extra finger weight. I've used it on 3 balls, 1 asy, 2 sym, and the asm was HORRIBLE, the other 2 are 2 of the most even rolling/hook/controllable bowling balls i've ever used
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Good. Next time I get a 0-1" in, I'm going to try this.

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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 06:18:13 PM »
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correct, the shorter the better, however the top weight the ball starts with is even more important than that, since you'll have to drill out the extra finger weight. I've used it on 3 balls, 1 asy, 2 sym, and the asm was HORRIBLE, the other 2 are 2 of the most even rolling/hook/controllable bowling balls i've ever used


Of course they are... most short pinned symmetric balls exhibit those same characteristics!
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Re: What happens when the pin is placed beyond the PAP?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2008, 07:48:29 PM »
the secret is not your .5-1 inch pin, its 2-3 as you can see in the pic. the frakazoid i had was the same as well, and the asymmetrical was the one that had the 1-2. BTW, i've had short pin bowling balls with "normal" layouts that didn't roll smooth and control, just early and like poo, and absolutely none with the continuos motion as the 315s. Have you ever even drilled one w/this layout for yourself? or just going off of other's information of what it is "supposed" to do?
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