Author Topic: When do you prefer to use a 1:30 or 1:00 drilling? (Read 1947 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** February 14, 2008, 10:35:02 AM »

For all of you...

When do you all prefer to use a ball that is drilled PIN beside the RING FINGER and CG close to GRIP CENTER (or CG about 1/2" right of GRIP CENTER) which would also put the MASS BIAS under the thumb or slightly left of thumb?

When is it best to use this drillng? What type of shot? And what type of balls do you use it on? And what kind of style and hand release prefers this drilling?

Thanks!

Edited on 2/14/2008 9:11 PM

Russell · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2008, 08:30:40 PM »

Ric it completely depends on your PAP. Pin next to ring finger is different for me than it is for you, and different for the next guy. For my ball roll the only time that strong pin layouts have rolled well is on very wet/dry conditions...mainly in later games (on the cheetah after a few games). That's just me though....
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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2008, 05:58:13 AM »

I'd agree with Jabs. I use 1:30 or 105 deg. layouts for wet/dry and playing the track. As, I move inside 105's for me don't carry as well.

Right now I am using a Hei$t with a 105 deg. and it is a great bench mark even rolling ball and takes out a lot of the over/under one might see on wet/dry conditions.
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Ric Clint · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2008, 10:57:36 PM »

quote:
Ric it completely depends on your PAP. Pin next to ring finger is different for me than it is for you, and different for the next guy. For my ball roll the only time that strong pin layouts have rolled well is on very wet/dry conditions...mainly in later games (on the cheetah after a few games). That's just me though....

My PAP is 5 1/4" over and 3/4" up.

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2008, 07:07:45 AM »

My PAP is 5 over, 1/2 up.
I have had success with this layout on various equipment when playing up the boards or a small swing. When forced deep inside, I cannot get the corner pins out with this layout.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2008, 08:06:34 AM »

The label type drilling depends on the core somewhat. For some cores the ball goes longer with a stronger backend, with other cores the ball rolls earlier and smoother on the back.

For cores that go longer and hook sharper, it's better to use this on shorter patterns or for playing straighter down the boards, with more of a snap off the dry. This layout usually works better for bowlers with longer a PAP measurement.

When you get deeper and catch more oil and/or carrydown, this layout is tougher to carry or line up with.

With cores that roll earlier, you can get away with playing a bit deeper with a more controled reaction off the dry boards. =:^D

Edited on 2/16/2008 9:09 AM

tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:21:58 AM »

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The label type drilling depends on the core somewhat. For some cores the ball goes longer with a stronger backend, with other cores the ball rolls earlier and smoother on the back.

For cores that go longer and hook sharper, it's better to use this on shorter patterns or for playing straighter down the boards, with more of a snap off the dry. This layout usually works better for bowlers with longer a PAP measurement.

When you get deeper and catch more oil and/or carrydown, this layout is tougher to carry or line up with.

With cores that roll earlier, you can get away with playing a bit deeper with a more controled reaction off the dry boards. =:^D

Edited on 2/16/2008 9:09 AM

Ditto....

Ric, pls also keep in mind when dealing with asyms that the mass bias strength of the piece is also very important. Generally speaking, the higher the mb rating is, the more influence it has when placed in "that" particular position meaning that a stronger mb (ie. .025 vs .015) placed in a weak position (as you're describing) will have more influence in making the ball delay it's psa or motion vs the asym with the .015 rating.

We also have to consider the friction strength of the piece we're dealing with as well. Hope this helps some...
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Ric Clint · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2008, 07:41:24 PM »

Thanks to everybody!

Any other comments are welcome!

REvans284 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2008, 10:06:19 PM »

quote:
The label type drilling depends on the core somewhat. For some cores the ball goes longer with a stronger backend, with other cores the ball rolls earlier and smoother on the back.

For cores that go longer and hook sharper, it's better to use this on shorter patterns or for playing straighter down the boards, with more of a snap off the dry. This layout usually works better for bowlers with longer a PAP measurement.

When you get deeper and catch more oil and/or carrydown, this layout is tougher to carry or line up with.

With cores that roll earlier, you can get away with playing a bit deeper with a more controled reaction off the dry boards. =:^D

Edited on 2/16/2008 9:09 AM

I agree,

I have a shorter PAP measurement and I have 2 balls drilled this way. They are very angular off the spot, and I only have success with them on fresher patterns, particularly not wet/dry. Because it is so strong, I have to move way left, but on sport shots that have the heads blown out I can't get the ball down lane, and it is very hard to get lined up (or carry because its burning up too much). It has its place, but its pretty condition specific.

Later,

REvans284

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Ric Clint

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Russell

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scotts33

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Ric Clint

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novawagonmaster

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T-GOD

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tenpinspro

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