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kidlost2000

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Who has a DeTerminator?
« on: June 26, 2010, 12:17:20 PM »
After doing some reading I realized that one would come in handy if the price was reasonable. Well $1300 wasn''t the price I had in mind by even a little.

So then I did some reading in the manual and looking at the pictures then some more reading and thought I would really like to see this in action. Well after some searching I had no luck.

I made a post on another bowling site and was referred to a vid that had one in use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVmNsR7iBiQ&feature=related

Go to the 2:40 mark and start.

It is in the Ebonite warehouse and is the device in its simpler form. (minus 3 arms) Which according to the manual by Morich only one is used and that is for simply marking a spot with a pencil half way up the ball.

So my next thought was to go ahead and build one since it appears to be as simple as a ball spinner in terms of parts and what it does.

I was just curious if any body out there actually had one.

I''m not a pro shop. I have a drill press, scale, spinner and other items my brother and I picked up along the way for our personal use since about 2001.


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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2010, 09:11:13 PM »
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If you think its just that simple to replicate the determinator your a moron. I bet you going to buy the drill you bowling ball at home thing that some guy is selling on here too? LMAO

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No, I have a drill press, jigs, bits, ball spinner, and other tools. If you read the post after yours and see the spinner used in the Ebonite video you would understand the basic concept that eludes you. A ball will, when allowed to spin freely, rotate to its PSA. If you watch the video that is exactly what happens. The amount of time it takes depends on the strength of the MB/PSA. Some can be as fast as 15 secs up to a minute. Some will never find it, if it is too week.

You already knew that though......right?


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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2010, 08:19:02 AM »
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After doing some reading I realized that one would come in handy if the price was reasonable. Well $1300 wasn''t the price I had in mind by even a little.

So then I did some reading in the manual and looking at the pictures then some more reading and thought I would really like to see this in action. Well after some searching I had no luck.

I made a post on another bowling site and was referred to a vid that had one in use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVmNsR7iBiQ&feature=related

Go to the 2:40 mark and start.

It is in the Ebonite warehouse and is the device in its simpler form. (minus 3 arms) Which according to the manual by Morich only one is used and that is for simply marking a spot with a pencil half way up the ball.

So my next thought was to go ahead and build one since it appears to be as simple as a ball spinner in terms of parts and what it does.

I was just curious if any body out there actually had one.

I''m not a pro shop. I have a drill press, scale, spinner and other items my brother and I picked up along the way for our personal use since about 2001.


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Edited on 6/26/2010 8:17 PM
There was a guy somewhere in Florida I believe was selling something similar to the determinator because our Pro shop has one.I will try and get some info and send it to you when I do.
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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2010, 09:27:02 AM »
This makes me wonder:

If the PSA is so important, well, important enough that Mo would find the "new" PSA after drilling to make sure the weight hole was put in the proper spot

and drilling a ball is going to alter the PSA

and plugging a ball is going to change the PSA

how can any self-respecting "pro shop" not have a DeTerminator?

Sounds like it should be a requirement for any shop that drills balls, or at least any shop displaying the IBPSIA certification.

Really, it sounds as important as having a scale!

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kidlost2000

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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2010, 05:51:00 PM »
It is useful but not needed. Bowling balls have always had a PSA since they have been drilling them. It has gotten stronger since the core technology and drill technology is where it is today.

You can still get by with out having one and be ok. It is a great tool to be able to accurately fine tune something like anything else. It wouldn't be something required.


thanks for any help headwest


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This makes me wonder:

If the PSA is so important, well, important enough that Mo would find the "new" PSA after drilling to make sure the weight hole was put in the proper spot

and drilling a ball is going to alter the PSA

and plugging a ball is going to change the PSA

how can any self-respecting "pro shop" not have a DeTerminator?

Sounds like it should be a requirement for any shop that drills balls, or at least any shop displaying the IBPSIA certification.

Really, it sounds as important as having a scale!


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qstick777

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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2010, 07:37:29 AM »
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It is useful but not needed. Bowling balls have always had a PSA since they have been drilling them. It has gotten stronger since the core technology and drill technology is where it is today.

You can still get by with out having one and be ok. It is a great tool to be able to accurately fine tune something like anything else. It wouldn't be something required.


thanks for any help headwest






Thanks, that was kind of my point!

I know that Mo has taught at some of the IBPSIA classes.

I've never seen a DeTerminator at a shop.  I'll follow that up with the mention that I've only used 3 shops.  I know for sure that 1 does not have the device.  The other 2 shops had a limited view of the drilling area, so they may have it and I just didn't see it.

Good luck with your project.  I applaud your ingenuity and willingness to learn more.  As a home driller (with all the "real" tools), I know how resistant the industry can be to those that want to think outside the box.

Not everybody has $1000+ for a limited use tool, and I'm sure there are plenty of shops that have the tool and don't use it, or maybe don't even know how to use it!

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kidlost2000

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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2010, 01:25:04 PM »
That is why I was curious how many places have one.

I remember my brother saying he didn't see one any where when he was at nationals. I think most places get by just fine with out ever having one. It would be nice just for general curiosity on some things. That is my whole reason for wanting one.
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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2010, 04:45:28 PM »
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This makes me wonder:

If the PSA is so important, well, important enough that Mo would find the "new" PSA after drilling to make sure the weight hole was put in the proper spot

and drilling a ball is going to alter the PSA

and plugging a ball is going to change the PSA

how can any self-respecting "pro shop" not have a DeTerminator?

Sounds like it should be a requirement for any shop that drills balls, or at least any shop displaying the IBPSIA certification.

Really, it sounds as important as having a scale!



Many pro shops are still ignoring the importance of the location of the pin  with respect to the bowler's PAP. ANd you think they're going to pay attention to some "kook", like Mo, and the importance of the PSA?

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kidlost2000

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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2010, 06:11:15 AM »
I got a reply from Mo on the other site which was cool.

I can't reply because it is locked.

" You will face lots of challenges in making a DeTerminator. Sourcing the slow start motor, curvature of the drive bushing, composition of the bushings, spinning rate of the ball, etc. May I suggest you purchase a DeTerminator and the retail price is $1395. Thanks for your inquiry."

Thought that was cool. I'm not a pro shop and can't afford to spend that much for a mb/psa locator.

Still it will be fun to make. Got a few parts on the way and will wait till everything is put together before getting the motor last.
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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2010, 06:56:27 AM »
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I got a reply from Mo on the other site which was cool.

I can't reply because it is locked.

" You will face lots of challenges in making a DeTerminator. Sourcing the slow start motor, curvature of the drive bushing, composition of the bushings, spinning rate of the ball, etc. May I suggest you purchase a DeTerminator and the retail price is $1395. Thanks for your inquiry."

Thought that was cool. I'm not a pro shop and can't afford to spend that much for a mb/psa locator.

Still it will be fun to make. Got a few parts on the way and will wait till everything is put together before getting the motor last.
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thats why I like mo. I may not always see things his way but hes always really nice about it and just states his opinion. Always improving the sport of bowling... thats mo!
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kidlost2000

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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2010, 04:34:18 PM »
Very smart guy.
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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2010, 10:11:45 PM »
i think about 2 or 3 years ago someone made one and was selling it. I guess he got sue lol.
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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2010, 03:53:54 PM »
I have a DeTerminator.

In my opinion the most valuable piece of equipment in my shop.

I would say if you want one that bad save up and buy one. Support Mo and the time and effort he put in to developed the technology.

Mo gives so much to the game of bowling. Seems pretty crappy to go copy his invention.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2010, 09:18:15 PM »
I''m not copying his invention, I copying Ebonites version of it. I''m also not paying $1400 for something that I only want to try out and see what effects it has on a drilled bowling ball.

I support Mo by buying his bowling balls. I''m not buying his psa locator. All the stuff he has done in bowling wasn''t because he was a nice guy with the free time. It was because he had a business and he is trying to make money with that business and that technology.

Not saying he isn''t nice, but he is in it to make money.


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Re: Who has a DeTerminator?
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2010, 10:10:45 PM »
"Imitation is the highest form of flattery"

If kidlost2000 wants to build it then he has every right to do it as long as he does not impinge on any patent he is okay. He is not looking to mass produce it so it won't affect MO at all. What ever his cost may turn out to be, it will not shed lite on what MO's state of the art device cost or should be sold at.
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