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Doug Sterner

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Why?????
« on: February 10, 2010, 10:46:22 AM »
Now I am not professing to be a genius here or even a really smart guy but I have a serious question for both the pro shop guys out here and also the bowlers...

For the Pro Shop Guys....2 questions
1.  When a "league hack" comes into your shop and says they want a Mutant Cell or Invasion to bowl on the house shot, why do you sell them the ball instead of getting them to get into a less aggressive ball that they will fare better with?

2. Why, even after selling them the Mutant Cell or Virtual Gravity or similar, do you drill the ball up max stacked leverage?

Don't we realize that when we do #1 and combine it with #2 that there is a 90% chance that the ball isn't going to work? Honestly...look at the heavy hooking balls that we see for sale on this site....90% are drilled stacked with the pin in the ballpark of 3-4" off the PAP...why?

Now for the customers...very simple...

Why don't you all trust your pro shop guy to put you in the ball you NEED instead of the ball you THINK YOU WANT? Then why do you tell him to "drill it to hook!" ?

I am simply baffled at the number of heavy hooking balls I see for sale here drilled for max hook and usually they are dulled up to look like 220 grit!

Why???

Help me out here guys!!!!
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Re: Why?????
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2010, 02:54:48 AM »
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It just comes down to no actual knowledge of the game.  Personally, I used to buy a lot of the oilers before I had a clue.  I liked to have the latest and greatest and no one ever talked me out of it, so I kept doing it.  I had some success, but it was very shaky at best.


Similar here - it comes like a revelation when you realize how a ball actually works on the lane and you can recognize its reaction and effectiveness. Since then, I have consequently "reduced" the aggressiveness of my arsenal, since I realized that I actually do not need "much ball" with my release and speed and the conditions that I actually face.

I am rather happy with a "simple" and harmless ball that "works" than a bag full of high end stuff that makes me look like a wannabe who might be lucky that the ball copes with the lane one night, with some good scores, but without a clue what I am actually doing (or the ball, respectively).

Sad thing about bowling is that just the wood counts, not the way you knock it down...
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Re: Why?????
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2010, 05:04:51 PM »
The biggest hooking ball I've ever thrown has been my Jigsaw. After I added some polish it was an awesome hooking beast. But, what I learned is where I bowl I can usually only use it a game or two tops before needing to switch bowling balls. So I keep in the bag just incase, but more times then not I use something a little less aggressive and can easily get in 3 games or more with it and no need to move a whole lot.

My new favorite ball is a Brunswick Wild Thing drilled on a modified rico pattern. Supper clean, and great for playing up the right side. When they break down I move in with a blue avalanche or revolution real speed pro and have the whole right side to play off of.

Many good bowlers with less hand will be playing the super soakers and burning up the right sides and struggling to adjust when the lanes break down. I have also noticed many of them are over 50. Not all but many.



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cappy718

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2010, 06:56:18 PM »
Being a bowler that's been bowling for about 3 seasons now I moved from a 14 lb house ball to a 15lb original Fury.  I know huge jump, but I was totally new and didnt have a clue.  I am constantly learning though.  I bought a bunch of used balls trying to figure out something that worked for me.  Some I had to have plugged and redrilled, but some I just moved the thumb.  All of them had different layouts and such.  These balls included the Radical Inferno, NVS, an old x-factor, Hammer Raw Anger and I had my Fury redrilled due to not being able to get it to turn and found out that the person that drilled it didnt know how to set it up for me since they never watched me bowl.  After this I realized how strong the Fury was. (pin right of ring finger and cg in palm - is this stacked?)  I've since had to polish to be able to keep it on the right side of the head pin.  I also thought that I needed a 16lb ball for some reason and got a Morich Awesome Finish but my arm and wrist was so tired after throwing 3 games I realized I made a bad move and I just sold it. (glad I got it cheap)

After all the things I went through with the fury (polishing it up and such), I decided it try a pearl and got a gladiator pearl.  I have only had it a few weeks now, but I do like it and I have been more consistent.  It gave me more length and kept me on the pocket side more often.

Just the other day I did get to throw a 14lb ball.  It happened to be the next "hook in a box" the c-system 3.5.  That thing is a beast, but the thing I noticed about it was that I was able to get my ball speed up higher and get more pin action.  I know some of that was the ball itself, but I liked the look of the 14lb.  So I am planning on slowly stepping down to 14lbs.  I dont make enough money to do it all at once.  

That being said, I just got a Break s75 14lb.   I guess I am starting over in a way, but I am reading and learning as much as I can.  I plan on getting a mid/low end ball to give me options on different patterns.  I'm glad that I find places like this to read information like this to understand what I am doing other than just throwing the ball down the lane.  

I may be one of these people with the arsenal full of hook monsters but I am learning the errors of my ways.  And how to adjust surfaces to help the problem...ha!  

Little info about my style:

Speed of around 13.5 on 15lb ball
I dont know my revs tho.  

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this post and it has given me confirmation of some things that I've been thinking about recently.  Thanks and dont get discouraged PS guys, there are some of us that will come around to realizing what you're saying.  I really think most people just want to have a better game, they're just mislead.

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2010, 08:15:41 PM »
cappy I commend you for the time and effort you are putting into your bowling progress. Bowlers like yourself are the golden children that we pro shop guys love to see come in the door. You are willing to experiment to get it right and did not bash the pro shop guy for not getting the drilling on your Fury exactly right from the get go.

Keep working at it, trust your pro shop guy and dont be afraid to experiment with something different if your driller suggests it will work.

Keep at it!!!!
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cappy718

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2010, 07:35:10 AM »
Doug,

Me bashing that guy would be really insensitive since he's since passed on!  Even though he didnt watch me throw, he really couldnt.  I didnt have a ball before he drilled it and he was left handed so even throwing one of his would of got us no where.  I dont have any plans for the s75 I just got yet.  I'll probably ask the pro shop guy what he thinks, although my current guy keeps wanting to drill all my balls the same.  Pin next to ring finger with CG somewhere near my palm.  Sometimes it will be kicked out to the right of my palm, but basically same drilling.  Some of the used balls I have do have more exotic drillings, but unfortunately I dont know what it all means.  But I will say when I see the drilling sheets now, I have a better idea.  And I am going to keep looking and learning.

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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2010, 09:32:11 AM »
Great topic!  I'm a fairly uneducated bowler.  I bowled in HS on a league and bowled on my HS team, but after HS I quit until last season.  So I tell people that I've really only been bowling for a couple of years now.

The center I bowl at has wood lanes that were resurfaced about 3 years ago I believe.  It "seems" to me that the oil is fairly light but that might be part of the fast transition of the wood lanes.  The owner has recently extended the pattern by a couple of feet, just to see if anyone would notice.  My first shadow ball on this "extended" pattern missed way right, so I guess I noticed, lol.

I bought a Cell Pearl half way thru last season(first new ball since HS) so I really had no idea what I was really buying or how to have it drilled.  The owner of the lanes drilled it up stacked.  After a surface change, the ball has done well for me.  With how dry the lanes seemed to get, I got the original Chainsaw (from Doug) and it is perfect for what I wanted it for.  With the "extended" pattern I was struggling with the pearl (I still have issues with adjustments) so I wanted something with more midlane and I found a deal on the original Cell.  I took it to a driller that was recommended to me by Mo Pinel.  He watched me throw a few shots and drilled it up.  It's drilled almost identical to my Pearl, but the pin to pap is a bit shorter.  It has been ideal for me for the first two games, then I start going through the nose.

Now I have a NIB C-System 3.5 that I won in one of the raffles.  After reading about the ball, I'm probably never going to be able to use it at my center, lol.

Next time I purchase a ball, I will buy it from a shop vs on the net and trust the shop owner to direct me to the correct ball.  Unfortunatly the shop in my lanes is run by the owner of the center, and I'm not fond of his ability to drill.  Plus his prices are insane ($235 drilled for the pearl and that didnt' includ grips or a slug, I didn't buy the ball from him so drilling was $90 with the grips and slug) He drilled up my Pearl and I had issues with it, took it to another shop and he adjusted my span and now it fits/feels great.  However, I now have a great source for drilling, he knows my game and I have complete confidence in him.

Sorry for the rambling post, lol.

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #67 on: March 09, 2010, 08:06:01 PM »
ok im going to agree here with the other pro shops putting people in very high performance balls on a house shot when they dont need one. I own my own pro shop and always make sure they get what they something that will fit them and their game. But with that said we do have those people who want these high performance balls and will not settle for less no matter what we say. With that said i will say that i HATE a stack drill to me it is not the strongest way to drill a ball being that most balls burn up b4 making it to the break point. Just remember that some of us are with you on how you feel, and them some dont care and are just out to make a buck! along with the pro shop guys who drill everyones ball the same and usually its what they like not what the customer wants.
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Re: Why?????
« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2010, 08:59:29 PM »
Yeah speaking of pro shops drilling the same way all the time cuz that's what they like.  Does anyone know of a good proshop down here on the MS gulf coast?  Thanks again yall!

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2010, 08:57:37 AM »
I think this post must of upset some people...hahaha!  Oh well.  Thought I'd bump it cuz it's a good post!  

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2010, 09:21:21 AM »
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Yeah speaking of pro shops drilling the same way all the time cuz that's what they like.  Does anyone know of a good proshop down here on the MS gulf coast?  Thanks again yall!


Don't know where this is but there is a McCorvey Pro Shop in Gautier, MS. Excellent reputation.

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Re: Why?????
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2010, 02:05:54 PM »
yeah cappy....I did touch a nerve or 2 with the post but I was just curious about why people do this...just out of curiosity....that's all -)
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Re: Why?????
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2010, 11:12:09 AM »
Luckily for the people in my area, our house shot is relatively heavy.  Everyone except the really heavy handed ones can get away with throwing hook monsters.  That said, I will occasionally see an old guy who can't get the ball above 12mph throwing a dulled up high performance ball.  Needless to say, when they finally get deep enough, the ball burns up and hits like a pillow.  But they sure did hook it, and that's what they wanted to see.

But in all honesty, if we had a light pattern at our house, I would probably be seeing the same problems listed in this topic.
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