Author Topic: Will a weight hole help this layout??? (Read 2564 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** January 21, 2004, 12:36:39 PM »

I just got a SUPER CARBIDE BOMB and I want to give it more backend than it's got right now... here's the drilling:

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The PIN is above/right of the ring finger by 1" and the CG is 3/4" right of grip centerline. No weight hole. My PAP is 5 1/2" over by 3/4"-1" up.

I want to set this ball up to have the MOST possible backend that this ball is capable of. Now I know some will say that this is a HIGH LOAD particle ball and that it won't backend hard (or is the SCB designed to backend hard???), and I understand that... but I want to get the most backend possible out of this SUPER CARBIDE BOMB!!! I want to set this ball up for Heavy Long Oil - I don't want no kind of early roll drilling that just dies on the backend.

I'm planning on keeping this ball dull like 320 or 600 grit (I want this to be such a monster on the backend that I may not be able to use it but once every blue moon). I just want to set this ball up to get through the heads clean and then start picking up it's roll in the midlane and then just start DRIVING in the backend!

Do I need to change the drilling or can I just add a weight hole to accomplish my goal???

If redrilling is the answer... then that's NOT a problem if that's the best option, I just want to create a monster (where would I put the PIN, CG, and MASS BIAS at???)! If adding a weight hole is the answer, then where do I need to put it and how big and how deep should it be? Or maybe I need to redrill it and give it a certain amount of positive side weight or finger weight?

I know that nothing is suppose to backend HARD on Heavy Oil but since the SCB ball is suppose to be like the BIGGEST hooking ball out, I want to make this ball as strong as possible so that I can get at least a little bit of backend on an ABSOLUTE FLOOD when nothing else will hook and everybody's leaving washouts! Even if I have to play straighter on the Heavy Oil shot, I still want the most backend possible out of this ball!

Edited on 1/22/2004 4:54 AM

channel surfer · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2004, 05:46:07 AM »

With a 1000(possibly 1200) finish, that layout should have a pretty strong backend. But the highload particle is what might be stoppping it.
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Strider · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:14:23 AM »

I don't see how you can have it both ways Ric. You either want a ball that can handle heavy oil to a flood, OR a ball with big backend for medium/heavy oil.

If you want more backend on medium/heavy oil, redrill it so you have the pin at 5 - 5.5" from your PAP (over ring finger or bridge), and stack the CG under or maybe a little right. Sand the surface to 800-1000. The cover should be strong enough to still have a good hook in a decent amount of oil.

If you want it to handle heavy oil, put the pin at 3 3/8 -4" from your PAP (not high, but no lower than the line from your fingers to PAP), and kick the CG right so that the "mb" will be at the strong position (half way between your track and VAL).
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T-GOD · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2004, 12:49:57 PM »

I agree with Strider, you can't have it both ways. The drilling you have now (1:30 label/label leverage) will give you more length in the body. On heavy oil the ball will go too long before hooking. Plus, with the pin over the fingers, this acts like finger weight, giving you more length. So you'll need less length in the body to increase the hook on the backend.

I would suggest redrilling the ball with the pin just under the ring finger with the CG kicked out 1" more, i.e. 4 1/2 x 3 1/2. This should get the ball rolling heavier in the body, waiting/wanting to hook when it hits some friction.

With the dull surface, if you feel the ball is burning up and not carrying, then lightly add polish until you get the desired result. =:^D

Ric Clint · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2004, 11:33:45 PM »

Well, I thought about adding polish but that will kill it's hook in Heavy Oil and just make the ball skid and not hook up. So I've got to keep it sanded. On Heavy Oil with this ball I'm already playing straight up 8-9 board so maybe polish ain't such a bad idea? I just fear that will take away it's oil handling capabilities.

T-GOD wrote:

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The drilling you have now (1:30 label/label leverage) will give you more length in the body. On heavy oil the ball will go too long before hooking. Plus, with the pin over the fingers, this acts like finger weight, giving you more length. So you'll need less length in the body to increase the hook on the backend.

This may be a stupid question, but... since this ball has a length drilling, can't I just sand it to a lower grit to give it less length in the body and increase hook on the backend??? Or maybe that doesn't make sense?

I hate to redrill a ball that's basically BRAND NEW (under 10 games on it). Is there any way possible that I could just put a weight hole somewhere to acheive what I want or at least get close to what I want?

I know I can't have early roll PLUS huge backend, but I love everything about this ball the way it is right now... it's got a ton of backend even while sanded to 400 grit, but I was hoping to increase the backend at least just a little bit if possible... maybe by a weight hole or something. I hate to redrill a ball that's this new and in MINT condition. But if that's the only option than I will do that, I just hope a weight hole will help but I just don't know where to put it at?

Suggestions???

Sorry for being annoying.

Edited on 1/23/2004 0:35 AM

Ric Clint · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2004, 11:43:43 PM »

Also, I just looked at the drilling from the Lane #1 website and it looks like I've got what they call a Label "High Pin" drilling instead of just a regular Label Leverage drilling.

And it say's that the Label "High Pin" drilling gives more backend than the regular Label Leverage drilling. On my SCB the PIN is above/right by about 1". Not really that high but still high enough to where I think that the Label "High Pin" drilling is what I got.

Brian Omara wrote:

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If you go changing the layout to some of the suggestions here, with that coverstock, the ball will burn up too much and lose it's backend. The pin being up will also help keep the track from rolling over your holes.

This is kind of what I thought, too. I'm affraid that if I put an "early roll' drilling on it that it would burn up too much energy and hit flat or lose backend. The SCB is already and early rolling ball as it is... especially with some surface. So I kind of need to keep a "leagth" drilling on it so that it can save at least a little bit of energy for the backend.

Like I said, this ball does everything that I want it to do on Heavy Oil, but I'm just hoping that a weight hole (maybe in the thumb quadrant?) or something would give it more finger weight therefore giving it more backend.

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About weight holes:

I just wonder if I put a weight hole in the ball (say like thumb quadrant about 5 inches out from thumb hole), would that make the ball still have "early roll" PLUS increased backend... OR... would it give it more "length" PLUS increased backend???

If more length, then I don't know if I want to go that route, because length is not good on Heavy Oil and the ball might go too long before it breaks.

It seems that by adding a weight hole in the thumb quadrant, that it would take out the thumb weight (which makes the ball roll early), which therefore, would natuarlly give it more finger weight... and that would make the ball go longer down the lane.

Confused about static weights, I guess. And all the side weights, top weights, finger weights, etc...

Edited on 1/23/2004 1:32 AM

Ric Clint · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2004, 12:07:32 AM »

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Ric, if you're looking for some help to get it down the lane, as opposed to putting polish on it, trying sanding it with a finer grit, say 1500 or 2000 grit sandpaper. That will decrease the surface friction in the heads a little bit, but it won't skid as much as polish. That might be the happy medium you're looking for.

-Logan

Well, see that's what I did.

I tried it with 600 grit and it didn't turn as much as I wanted it to, so I sanded it up to 1200 grit and it made it weaker. So then I sanded it back down this time to 400 grit and the ball became better than before. I'm just wanting a little more backend by adding a weight hole if possible... I hate to redrill it.

Edited on 1/23/2004 1:06 AM

Ric Clint · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2004, 11:04:39 PM »

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Everyone else has already stated what I am going to state. Maybe you will get it this time........... People like you are the people that make ball drillers want to bash heads in. "I want this ball to hook in oil, but go long and snap!"

WOWSERS... tell me off and tear me a new butthole... lol

Nah... I understand what everybody is saying! I know that a ball can't hook early and go long and snap at the same time... lol.

I was just hoping that a weight hole could be put somewhere in the ball just to add a little bit more backend (even if it increased the length by an inch or two).

But I think I will just leave the ball alone and see what happens.

If you all have been reading my post where I compared 9 different balls to the THROTTLE... and if you'll remember that I said that it hooked more for me than the other 9 balls - well, after throwing the Super Carbide Bomb, the THROTTLE looks like a Storm Spare ball next to this thing!

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Ric, basically what everbody else said, but I will add one thing. Perhaps what you are looking for is a more angular or stronger backend reaction. That can be achieved by redrilling and placing the MB in the strong position instead of in the track. MB in the track will produce more of an arcing reaction.

Thanks! That same idea has crossed my mind... I'm just still thinking about things right now trying to decide what to do.

stringer · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2004, 08:51:20 AM »

I agree with Brian Omara. You like the ball so leave it alone. I will offer you a slight surface tweak that I can't believe hasn,t been suggested. When you sand this ball sand parallel to the track. This should give you an increase in length and backend reaction. If not nothing hurt.

the pooh · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2004, 09:53:45 AM »

As Angstfilled said,a weight hole anywhere on the ball will make it start up earlier.I f you want MORE backend,DON'T put a weight hole!

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