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Endless Nightmare
« on: June 19, 2013, 08:37:58 AM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
DV8 Endless Nightmare Ball Specs:
- Color: Purple/Silver/Yellow All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown.
- Coverstock: Class 9 Hybrid Reactive
- Core: Nightmare Low RG
- Factory Finish: 500, 1,500 Siaair Micro Pad
- Reaction: Aggressive Hook
- Radius of Gyration (RG): 2.557**
- Differential (Diff): 0.052**
- ** RG and Diff are based off of 15 lb. balls
- Recommended Lane Condition: Medium-Heavy Oil
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal

Description: The Endless Nightmare introduces a new class of coverstock with the Class 9 Hybrid Reactive. Pair this with the Nightmare Low RG and get one of DV8's most aggressive bowling balls! Talk about aggressive hook motion while gripping the mid-lane then turning over to the backend.



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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2013, 09:48:06 PM »
Drilled my Endless 35X4.5X60 same as my Ultimate. The Endless reacts about 10 boards more on the backend on your THS. Looking forward to throwing this on Flat Patterns or 41+ patterns. This is a must have ball in your bag for that STRONG reaction down lane


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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 01:14:02 PM »
Bowler stats:
Right Hand (Stroker)
Avg 300 rev rate (based on CATS program at Kegel Training Center)
Ball speed: 17 mph at breakpoint (based on CATS program at Kegel Training Center)
PAP: 4 5/16 rt, 7/16 up
Axis Rotation: 0-30 degrees
Axis Tilt: 0-20 degrees
Ball comparison:
DV8 Nightmare 35x6x35 Surface: 500, 2000 (Pin Above)
DV8 Endless Nightmare 55x4.25x70 Surface: 500,2000 (OOB)(Pin Below)
Roto Grip Defiant Soul 35X4.75x35 4000 OOB Surface (Pin Above)

Typical House Pattern, 42 foot, Brunswick Anvilane, Kegel Ice
Start Position: Feet at 24 board target 9 board @ 17, breakpoint 5 board @ 42.
Balls: Nightmare and Endless Nightmare
Played Nightmare at start position during first and second. Made 2 and 1 left adjustment during third game. Nightmare was clean thru the heads, long length but able to turn the corner at the breakpoint with continuous angular motion thru the pins.  Excellent pin carry with the Nightmare and able to maintain same breakpoint with adjustments.
Started Endless Nightmare on same line as Nightmare early but immediately made a 3 and 2 left adjustment during practice. Ball read mid-lane early and breakpoint about 2 feet sooner but held pocket after adjustment with smooth continuous arc motion thru the pins. Made another 3 and 2 move during midpoint of second game with just a slight adjustment at the breakpoint, one board left, but ball was still able to move towards the pocket with excellent carry. This ball allowed me to open up the lanes on a house shot where as previously I have not been able to.

PBA Shark Pattern, 43 foot, Brunswick Anvilane, Kegel Ice
Start Position: Feet at 32 board target 17 board @ 17, breakpoint 13 board @ 42.
Balls: Deviant Soul and Endless Nightmare
Used Defiant Soul previous week on Shark Pattern. Able to play the same line most of the night until midway thru third game when I made a 3 and 2 left because of lane breaking down at my breakpoint.
Started Endless Nightmare the following week in the same position but had again to make a small adjustment during practice, one board left on the approach and one board right at the breakpoint. Endless Nightmare read the pattern early and had great ball motion down lane with smooth continuous arc motion thru the pins. Final adjustment was a 3 and 2 left late in the third game chasing the oil thru the heads allowing me to the pattern more than I have been able to in the past.

This ball is as advertised with the most hook motion yet from the DV8 line and can help open up the lane for low to medium rev rate bowlers with excellent bowl motion down lane and thru the pins. This ball allowed me to open up the lane on both patterns for more than I have able to in the past.

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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 07:54:01 AM »
DV8 Endless Nightmare

Pin Length - 3-4"
Starting Top Weight - 1.8oz
Ball Weight - 15lb 3oz

Drilled at 30 Deg x 4 5/8 x 60 Deg

Rev Rate - 450 / 275 / 175
Ball Speed - 18mph / 16mph


Grit - Out of the Box
Type (Matte, Polish, Sanded) - Out of the Box

Length - 41 ft
Volume - 19.3ml
Type (Wall, Xmas Tree, Sport) - Main Street By Kegel
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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 09:02:53 PM »
Bowler's Stats:
Right Handed
Speed: 18.5mph
Rev rate: 450rpm
Axis Tilt: 8*
Axis Rotation: 30* to 60*

45* by 5" by 50*

To hook......a lot.....

On the lanes:
Allow me to be totally honest, upon getting this ball I couldn't really picture using it very much on everyday conditions based on my release stats. There are times I do see long and heavy volume patterns and this ball was drilled solely with those patterns in mind. All I can say is MY GOD THIS BALL HOOKS. Bowling in a tournament on Scorpion in a house that doesn't hook much, the Endless was still too much ball on the fresh. Half the field that I saw couldn't start deeper than 3rd arrow and here I am trying to just keep it on the right side of the headpin in practice (first time I'd ever thrown the ball). Actually had a buddy go ahead and pre-order this ball based on those few shots. I was awestruck by the strength of this ball. Ended up using the Aura Paranormal for practically the entire tournament. During practice, I had the Endless Nightmare being a full 9 and 5 move inside of the Aura Paranormal (note the the Endless was completely fresh out of the box and my Aura Paranormal has around 60 games on it but is well maintained).

I would talk about how the Endless fares on my lower volume 36' house shot, but, as you can guess, it's wayyyyyyyy too much ball. Not surprising since rates it as the strongest ball they've ever seen according to their perfect scale. As far as I have been told, it is indeed unofficially the strongest ball ever created. It could probably hook out of a gutter...

Fast forward to a practice Session on a high-volume 51' flat pattern on Pro-anvilane. Now this is what I was waiting for. Granted I couldn't hook the whole lane with the Endless, but it sure hooked a lot more than anything else on this pattern. on the fresh I was throwing my Aura paranormal over 4th arrow and aiming at the center of the 3 pin. It would hook the 2-3 boards in order to get to the pocket but no more. With the endless, I could play 4th arrow but aim at the 6 pin and have it hook 7 boards back to the pocket and shred rack after rack after rack. Also with the strong asymmetric core, it stood up fast enough to make getting the corners out easier. I know saying the ball hooks 7 boards and saying it's insanely strong in the same setting is odd for some bowlers to read, but when 51' of 60' of the lane is basically pure ice, hooking the ball 7 boards makes me feel like I'm playing 7th arrow out to the 1 board and having it come back. To put it more into perspective, I was outhooking two-handers on the pair with ease. Next time I compete on long and heavy patterns like Mexico City and London, I'll be licking my chops!

HOLY SCHNIKES THIS BALL HOOKS!!! If you need some serious hook then you have no reason to look elsewhere. The Endless, for me, is only for the heaviest of patterns. I dare you to find a ball that hooks more than this one: you won't! This ball will be at the top of every bowler's arsenal and is an absolute must if you don't see enough reaction from your current equipment. Be prepared to have a ball that will hook back from everywhere!
Jared Wolf
Jonesboro, AR
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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 08:27:29 PM »
DV8 describes the Endless Nightmare as: “Featuring the new Class 9 Hybrid Reactive coverstock wrapped around the Nightmare core, the Endless Nightmare skids through the front gripping the mid-lane and turning over on the backend for the most total hook potential of any DV8 ever on medium to oily lane conditions.”
For the Endless Nightmare I decided to go with my favorite asymmetric layout.  50 x 5 x 45 gives me a good midlane read and a smooth strong backend reaction.  This layout gives me control with an asymmetric ball, without losing too much energy either.
Warning!!! This ball NEED NEED NEEDs oil!!! My initial tests were executed on a Typical House Shot.  When I first tried to compare the Endless Nightmare to my Brutal Nightmare I was disappointed because the Brutal outhooked the Endless by quite a bit.  However, I realized the Endless Nightmare was burning itself up.  Making a 10 and 5 board move left, I saw the strength of the Endless.  The Brutal never made the corner and the Endless was coming high.  Getting lined up with both balls the Endless Nightmare was 12 and 6 stronger than the Brutal. 
The great thing about the Endless Nightmare is, with my higher ball speed, it still reads the midlane, even in the puddle of a Typical House Shot.  I was pleasantly surprised when I got deep on the house pattern, and where I typically see a ball “squirt” just a little too far, the Endless read that part of the with ease.  I never had to worry if the Endless would squirt too far, I could throw it as hard as I wanted, and the Endless would always read the lane.
I also tried testing the Endless Nightmare on the 35’ Beijing pattern.  I threw it 3 shots and put it in the bag.  This ball is just way too strong for that short of oil.
I am considering drilling another Endless Nightmare and polishing it.  With my higher rev rate, at out of box surface I don’t know how often I will see enough oil to use it.  With that being said it will come in handy of some longer patterns and higher volumes, where my high speed causes me issues.  I can’t wait for tournament season to pick up and I can use it to get left while others struggle.
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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2013, 02:23:58 PM »
I am a left handed and is a stroker.
I throw 16lbs.
The surface of the Endless is right out of the box.

Pattern:  Shark, and also Mexico City, Modified House Shot

The Endless is another fantastic ball from DV8.  If you need a ball for really oily lanes, then this is the ball for your.  It is really clean thru the front and saves its energy for the back and hits the pins really hard.  I shot a 300 with the endless on Mexico City, playing around the 2nd to 3rd board.  Since I have drilld this ball I have won 3 sweepers, and all of them have been on long patterns.  On the Modifiedhouse Shot, i was able to stay in the oil, and not loose hitting power.

If you want a ball for medium to light oil, well this ball is not for you.  For Light to medium oil pattersn, I would reccomend a Mutiny, or a Misfit.

DV8 has put out some terrific balls, and the best thing is that you don't have to do exotic drillings to do what you want the ball to do.  I have drilled 2 of these, 1 pin up, and 1 wiith pin down.  This is what I do with my new balls, and it has been successfull.  If you want the ball to go down a little longer than just hit the ball with a 4000 abrolon pad and see how this works.

You won't be upset with this ball purchase.  Good luck bowling this year!!

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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 12:03:43 PM »
Endless Nightmare
Drilling 60 x 5 ” x 35
This ball has alot of grab to the lane OOB, definently need alot of Oil for this ball, but one thing I will say about this ball is that it does not stop hooking.  Tried it on a fresh typical house shot, and I was already in playing the 5th arrow.  This ball in front part of the lane didn’t have to much push, but for the most part over all this ball is super aggressive.  For the heavier oil patterns this ball will work very well. But like I said this ball does not stop hooking, you can definently send this ball as wide right as you want (for right handers) and it will come screaming back with ENDLESS hook. This ball for sure when it hit the pins it seemed to push the pins straight back and kept the pins very low, and when you went light with this ball it definently got the pins scattering around. In the midlane you can see the balls transition very easily and pretty much knew what it was going to do off the spot.  This is a very hard arcing ball off the spot, it is not a skid flip motion.
A ball to have in your bag for encountering those heavy oil conditions.  A ball for bowlers that don’t have a high rev rate, this is a ball you will definently want to help you create hook. A great ball for bowlers with higher ball speeds.

I polished the ball up after throwing it OOB, and this reaction was alot better for me and my higher rev rate. I was able to control the ball alot better through the entire lane and didn’t have to force the ball right.  But one thing when it is polished, the overall hook was still the same as OOB, just able to control it alot better. I was able to move a little further right on the fresh, and just kept moving left until I ran out of lane.

A Special Thanks goes out to Ron Bragg

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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 09:35:52 AM »

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Re: Endless Nightmare
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 08:43:34 AM »
This is my first DV8 ball. I have to admit that I hadn't really been too impressed by what I had been seeing of their products because I felt that everything was too long and flippy. However, I liked the look of the Brutal Nightmare, and this one was supposed to be stronger, so, needing an oil ball, I thought I would take a shot. I've used the Endless on a 42-foot flat Sport pattern and my THS. I tried it at box finish on the Sport pattern and at 1000 + polish on the THS. I wasn't throwing the ball very well on the Sport pattern, but the ball still offered a lot of performance. It gave me a nice footprint in the oil, yet it saved plenty of energy to turn the corner and get to the pocket with authority. The reaction on the house shot at 1000 and polish was even more surprising. The ball is an absolute monster here. The polish gets it down the lane, and then the ball just breaks loose. I wouldn't call it flippy, but it turns hard and really charges through the pins. As a guide, I had to play 8 boards left and with much more speed than I usually do with my box finish Lucid on this pattern. The only drawback to the ball is the move off the spot. Because it is so strong, I question whether or not it's going to offer the control/predictability I want on the flatter stuff long term. I guess we'll see; nevertheless, it's a very good all-around ball for heavier patterns, and if you like to see the ball hook big and hit hard, you'll be a fan. For my first DV8 product, I'm liking what I see so far.