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bamaster

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Layout Question
« on: December 10, 2003, 07:20:36 PM »
If I put the pin on my axis, the ball should have very little imbalance and therefore very calm reaction.  

If I put the pin on my track, the ball has extreme imbalance, albeit inline, but it still should be a mild ball.

So what is the difference?  Will one flip harder than the other?  Is one layout better on certain patterns?

Discuss.

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loose5682

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Re: Layout Question
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2003, 11:14:44 AM »
So putting the pin on your track will be good for extremely broken down heads and bowlers with high tracks...what kind of reaction would this be?  You mentioned that there would be a good snap when it encounters friction, so would it be a skid/flip?  Or at least as close as you can get with a high-tracker?  I was thinking of perhaps doing this with a Shock Trauma and seeing what I could get it to do since I've had NO luck whatsoever with this ball.  Any thoughts?
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Constantine

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Re: Layout Question
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2003, 11:27:15 AM »
quote:

If I put the pin on my track, the ball has extreme imbalance


Not true.  The ball will be in balance.

Imagine an areosol can.  The nozzle is the pin.  When the nozzle is on axis, the can is horizontal and is in balance.  And when the nozzle is in your track, the can is vertical and in balance.

Imbalance is greatest when the can is at a 45º angle.  This translates to a 3 3/8 pin to PAP distance (aka leverage).

The difference between pin in track and pin on PAP is the RG used.  Pin on PAP uses the ball's lowest RG.  Pin in track uses the highest RG.  So pin in track is maximum length & pin on axis is earliest roll.  (Qualifier--flare will add to roll, so in a high flaring ball pin on PAP isn't the true earliest roll)


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Edited on 12/11/2003 12:35 PM
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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: Layout Question
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2003, 11:42:17 AM »
In both cases, what you are doing is reducing the impact of the weightblock on the ball.  I have tried a number of balls drilled so that the pin is in my track or close to it.  It worked very well to tame the reaction of the balls on scorched lanes creating balls that arched to the pocket after getting through the heads reasonably well (if I kept the coverstocks sufficiently shined so that a track would not develop) and really didn't "snap".  On anything but scorched or severely broken down lanes, this drilling was not particularly useful for me (track around an inch from thumbhole, very little axis tilt or rotation at the time) as the milder balls I used it on lacked reasonable drive and wouldn't turn the corner -- so they either had to be thrown very straight or very far outside with a slight point.
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Re: Layout Question
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2003, 02:27:21 PM »
Umm, how do you map a ball for pin on track?

Eyeball it?

Just kidding, but I have a ball I want to drill up like this, but I don't know how to map it out correctly.
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