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Savage
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
The core of the most devastating ball of its time is back with a vengeance. The medium RG Turbo/X core has been retooled for the tighter lane conditions of the new century by adding a flare increasing domed cap. And, by adding the Big Wheel™ reactive resin®, sanded with 1200 grit, Ebonite is recreating the medium length and strong change of direction that made its forefather a legend. Savage. The name says it all.

Specifications are as follows:

Color: Midnight Blue/Rubine Red Sanded
Ebonite Hook Rating (Scale 1-30): 28.25
Length (Scale 1-30): 10.8
Ball Speed: Slower
Axis Rotation: Minimal Side Roll
Axis Tilt: Low Track
Revolutions: Low/Medium Revs
Best Lane Oil Condition: Heavier Oil
Backend Condition: Carrydown
RG: 2.522
Diff: .055

 

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Re: Savage
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2002, 09:32:21 AM »
WHAT CAN I SAY THIS IS AN AWESOME BALL!

Drilled this ball with the pin to the right and below the ring finger.  The cg is in the thumb positive kicked to the right.  There is a weight hole on the val on a line from center of grip through the cg. ending with 1/2oz negative 1/2 oz thumb weight.  The surface was left with box finish.

I bowled league last night in a syntheic house where there is a good amount of oil and carrydown because it's a late league. I stood on 25 and played around 15.  The ball went down the lane very nice and on the back POP!  This ball made a left turn that shocked me and the people I was bowling with.  The first game I bowled 231. The 2nd 183 (low score).  In this game I hit the pocket almost every time but could not carry.  The last game I move my feet to 30 and played around 20.  STRIKING TIME AGAIN!  Finish the last game with a 237.  Ended with a 651 series.  Not a big series but enough to pocket $150 in winning the pots.

All in all I give this ball a 9 out of 10.  The only reason not a ten is because the ball left solid 10 and 9 pins.  Still this ball is a must to have in your arsenal.

Check my profile if you want to email me with questions.  Remember Practice Will Improve Your Game.

Thanks for reading my review.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2002, 02:17:25 PM »
I bought mine used from Gbuck and used his existing drilling, just had to move the thumb. For me it is a 3x3 drill.

On fresh oil, this ball is so predictable it's almost scary! I've been using it now for three months.

It is the smoothest rolling/arcing ball I own. Hitting power is phenominal. It stores up energy very well, then, once it hits the dry boards, it explodes into the pocket. My average has increased substantially since I started using it.

Ebonite has created a great product line lately, this is just one more excelent piece of equipment for an arsenal.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2002, 04:03:21 PM »
I wouldn't say is a great ball on oil, but it work.  Hit like a truck when oily, hit like a tonka truck when it's dry I use this ball mainly the first 2 games of my league then put it away and use my Ti.  I think the two balls compliment each other very well.



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Re: Savage
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2002, 10:19:25 AM »
This ball is a beast.  I prefer my Savage slightly finessed instead of dull
really gets down the lane and make a strong move toward the pocket.  Drilling
is pin under fingers with cg in palm.  Good drilling for me with predictable
reaction.  I am a Savage with my Savage.

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Re: Savage
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2002, 08:01:48 AM »
Hey all,

This is my very first post of an Ebonite product. Usually, I use Columbia stuff or Track or AMF. Anyway, the ball is 15# with a 2-1/2" pin. It's set up label leverage, a very general drilling. I haven't used an Ebonite piece in 11 years, so from memory I was expecting an angular piece with decent hit,  but would leave a lot of 10 pins. What I got was something else. Bowling on synthetics, with light oil, about 40', I found this ball to be extremely consistent and controllable. It had a very late break, but it was extremely powerful on the backend. It really stored up energy. Still had the angular Ebonite attack, which gives you good angle entry to the pocket, though.

On the fresh shot, I wasted a game playing with different releases determining which ones would work. Shot 165. Once I felt confident with two releases that I could use, I went to work. 259 and 211 the next two games. Played down 10 and in for a couple of frames, but didn't like the pin reaction. Moved inside, standing on 25 and shooting 13 out to 7 or 8 and back....Wham!!! This ball loved to be swung. In the 259 game, I opened then picked up a difficult split but went the next 10 to the wall!!! This IS a great ball! Holds a line well, gives you good pin reaction whether swung or played tight. Needless to say I was impressed. May have to give Ebonite another look, especially if their other equipment is as good as this. Good job Ebonite.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2002, 12:57:27 PM »
I love this ball!  I have 5 of them drilled various ways.  Compares to the V2 but more length.  Versatile cover can be shined for serious length or dulled for early roll.  The core is proven to be versatile too on many conditions.  But I guess the thing that surprises me is it's price.  Can't be beat by any other ball in it's range and performs like balls priced much higher.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2003, 01:37:41 PM »
The bottom line:  The Savage is a very good heavy oil ball.

I use the Savage mostly on my local house shot.  This particular house is widely regarded as the most heavily oiled house in the area.  Everyone from the strokers to the no-thumb crankers play outside 10 on the fresh there.  I've also watched the lane man bowl there.  Since he plays straight down the 5 board and rattles strike after strike, I've always thought that this line would be extremely effective there.  

My Savage is drilled with the pin over the ring, 12:00 from the CG.  This is approx. 4.5x4.5 from my PAP.  Cover is 1200 (stock) with a light polish using Finesse-it II.  The Savage plays the oil line extremely well.  It has a strong midlane roll, and it has excellent recovery if pushed right and it holds great if pulled left.  

I've tried to play this line there with many other balls (such as the Rock, V2 sanded, Matrix II, B/V Tornado, Blue Messenger, and many others), but the excellent midlane roll of the Savage gives me superior control and carry on this type of condition.  

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Re: Savage
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2003, 12:42:21 AM »
Just a weaker version of the Predator.
I liked the consistency of the Savage. But with so many balls out that react so close, this ball never makes it out of my house, let alone into my bowling bag.
When I have used it, I prefered polish of sanded. Sanded it seemed to lose some hit, and it left alot of weak 10's.

I was not overly impressed, but truthfully, I did not really give it much of a chance.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2004, 03:33:00 PM »
I picked this ball up used from a guy I know.
--he had it drilled label, then plugged and redrilled stacked 3.75"

I plugged and redrilled using the same midline as he, placing this approx. 3.75-4" stacked from pap. Pin is directly next to the lower cut of the ring finger. 2.5" pin. Weight hole under pap.

Ive used this ball for alittle over a month now, so this is a tentative review.

The savage is weaker than advertised in my opinion.

What i see- On heavy oil it skids. It needs some dry to hook, and WILL NOT cut through heavier oil, or significant carrydown. I find it best suited for, what i consider medium oil conditions.

by condition breakdown (by volume, then length):

Heavy Volume
long-Will skid WAY too long.
medium- I feel the savage is not the ball of choice here. It skids --too far by design, for the oob surface to do anything major. It starts up too --late for anyone on this condition
short-Breakpoint is too strong for short oil.

Heavy/medium
Long-Still i think this will skid too far, unless there are bone dry backends.
Medium-The savage isn't the best ball here but it can handle this condition well --if played up the boards. Not gonna be a big hooker here.
SHort-Too flippy for this.

Medium
Long-Here i feel that with dry down lane, it still starts up a tad late, but the --ball recovers enough to make up for the skid.
Medium-Very nice, strong backend and perfect length for this. Here is where i --I feel this ball excels on fresh shots, or slight carrydown
Short-Once again too flippy

Medium and below
--Too little oil for the savage imo. ROLLOUT CITY

My thoughts (outta 10)
Lenght-6
Backend-8/9
Torque (flipiness)-8.5
Overal hook-7

Carrydown will make it so the savage never stands up

This is a great ball for fresher medium oil, but in my experience it cannot handle heavier oil. Keep it away from heavy and light oil. Medium oil/medium to a bit longer is where this ball shines.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2004, 09:01:57 PM »
I'm using a new review format to get to the main points so everyone can relate

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16.5-16.7 mph speed
360rpms
Right handed tweener
PAP 4 11/16ths over, 1/8th up

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Stacked Leverage(3 3/8th x 3 3/8ths)
Weighthole on PAP
Light Polish with Storm React-A-Clean

Pro's
-Excellent to cut through carrydown
-Strong Consistant Reaction on a variety of surfaces
-Excellent drive through the pocket(rarely any flush taps with this ball)
-Continuous at the breakpoint from the start of a block to the finish
-Retains energy very well for the last 15 feet of the lane
-Explosive Backend
-Carries light hits very well
-Adapts well to release changes

Con's
-A bit too strong off the breakpoint
-Really no margin for error when missing right due to extreme angle on the backend
-Not for freshly stripped backends with this drilling, just way too much angle out of the dry
-Just too much hook/burnout when SANDED(box finish) unless there's a flood up front

Balls that have a comparable reaction(For Me)
-Silver Streak Solid(same hooking motion for me, but the Savage carries twice as well and kicks out the tens consistantly from house to house)
-Ebonite Pantera(Savage has the same hook shape, it's just a little less squirty when polished)
-Command Zone Arc(Same hook potential, just saves most of it for down the lane instead of the midlane)
-Columbia Detour and Track Threat/Triple Threat(same hook shape and potential, Savage is just more immediate in response to dry boards)

As you can see, the Pros outweigh the cons and I like this ball very much.  This is one of my flagship balls and my goto ball when I have to open up the lane.  It coressponds great to changing conditions because you can just chase the oil line inside and ride it all night and never have to worry about it getting around the corner.  It's violent reaction makes for some great entertainment as flying birddogs(messengers) go flying on light and flush hits.
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Re: Savage
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 03:35:27 PM »
i just got this ball used, drilled up with pin below ring finger.... shot 749.. went long on medium oil wood lane shot... carried every pocket hit, but one ten pin, very satisfied... great ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Savage
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2007, 06:12:09 PM »
this ball has struck again for me, just a few days after picking it up used, i bowled a 300 game. it is an awesome ball. ebonite made a good one here!