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Greg T

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All done with Ebo
« on: October 03, 2007, 03:28:46 PM »

 I have been with Ebo for many years and have just made the decision to drop them completely. Although they fit my game to a T I am sick and tired of buying thr to four of the same balls every year. 6 weeks is the max I can get. I now own two perfectly great looking TNVs that turned into twig or spare balls. Cant get them to hook more than 5 boards. Every Ebo I have had in the last 10 years has been the same and I just cannot justify spending this much money anymore.

 The reaction is fanatstic and the carry is excellent for the first 15 to 20 games. Then it's all over. I just pulled mine out tonight after a thorough soaking, cleaning, resurfacing using all the recommended techniques. Even used the powerhouse factory finish. End result.....targeting the 5 board all night and just barely carrying the rack. Anything closely resembling moving inside, even attempting a track shot would result in missing the headpin on the right.

  Don't bother giving me the lectures on the cleaning and upkeep cuz nobody takes better care of their equipment than I do. Period. Ebo is done, Hammer will be my next test.




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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2007, 03:00:14 PM »
I have a Toxic, Blue Vibe, Black Widow and TNV.  All have under 100 games.  I haven't noticed a loss in reaction, but hitting power isn't the same with my Hammers.

My TNV and BW have been great so far, but they have under 50 games on them, because they are too strong for the THS I bowl on.

I own a ball spinner and use clean & dull and storm cleaning products after every set.  My Toxic used to destroy racks...Now plaque, plaque, plaque!

Maye it's mental, but I'm ready to try some other brands...

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2007, 03:06:07 PM »
I also forgot to mention that I have seen some loss of reaction in almost every ball I have owned over time. I think that storm has been the worst for me. When I first started buying bowling balls storm was all I bought and I recently quit buying them because they lost too much reaction for me. With any storm also I have to get the coverstock brought back to stock finish around every 9 games or it just wants to puke out on me. I would take ebo over storm any day. The domination was really bad for that to me.

I also loved my original TNV so much I had to get a new one so I just did the other day.

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2007, 03:06:15 PM »
Wow Greg T, I really don't think anyone cares.
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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2007, 03:48:52 PM »
This is too funny, I used to own a ebonite wildcat, before it crack all over the place, and that ball hooked. I own storm now, and my first ball was a blaze and that ball probably has over like 170 games on it and it is still reacting like when I first got it. I tried the hot water bath and got nothing out of it, just because of me cleaning after every time I bowl with it..hehe!! People want big hooking balls, it's the coverstock that does most of it, because it is what comes into contact with the lane surface. Just like the formula one racing tires, look how those grip, but they wear out fast. Just like the new coverstocks of todays equipment, ya they hook and their aggressive, but their going to wear out faster. Bottom line is people are just to lazy to clean their equipment and if you clean it and clean it and it still does not work, then I question the cleaner you are using, I use reacta shine on all my shiny balls and that stuff works, basically using a liquid based cleaner will only remove dirt, not repolish the ball surface, and with how porous the coverstocks today are, not keeping enough polish on the ball suface itself, will inturn break down the coverstock that much quicker resulting in less n less hook potential.
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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2007, 04:00:22 PM »
I'm really beginning to wonder if this may be a quality control issue; not just with Ebonite, but all companies.  I know many people that have 100+ games on their TNV with no loss of reaction.  But for every one of those guys, there's someone like Greg T and DeadFlush that experience a terrible loss of reaction.  There has to be some explanation, and the only one I can think of is that the coverstock composition varies just enough to cause one ball to die and not the other.

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2007, 04:06:01 PM »
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I'm really beginning to wonder if this may be a quality control issue; not just with Ebonite, but all companies.  I know many people that have 100+ games on their TNV with no loss of reaction.  But for every one of those guys, there's someone like Greg T and DeadFlush that experience a terrible loss of reaction.  There has to be some explanation, and the only one I can think of is that the coverstock composition varies just enough to cause one ball to die and not the other.

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This may be a volume of oil issue. I had a team mate that had 100+ games with his infinite one. Bowled shark pattern and was having good success. Now on his THS the ball just dies. He cleans it and got it resurfaced, but it still dead.

Some bowlers may be bowling on higher volume of oil, so the ball dies quicker than on lighter volumes of oil.

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2007, 04:11:38 PM »
What I don't get is I have a track freak that hooks just as much now as it then when I bought it 4 years ago. Probably 800+ games on it.

I have a fired up that has lost some reaction, but it still carries well. I think I like the reaction now better than when I had it new.

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2007, 04:16:50 PM »

 We have a decent oil volume but also a very weak backend. Still, out of the box I can play DEEP inside. In a matter of a few short weeks it's all over. NOTHING brings them back. I finished my night last wednesday by pulling out an old V2 power and went 17 to about 5 and hammered the pocket. If I threw one of my TNVs on that same line it would be ditched before midlane.





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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2007, 04:33:08 PM »
I have an angular one that is used as a spare ball. I had good reaction for the first 35 games then it died. I routinely clean my equipment after every set. I even tried to redrill the ball so I could get a different reation and it is not any better. The AO and the Storm spitfire are the only balls that I have had this happen to. I will not buy another product of theirs until I start reading post that prove they have fixed their problem.
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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2007, 05:12:07 PM »
Having only tried one Ebonite ball that has about 10 games on it I can't coment yet.

Now my Storm equipment started to loose its reaction after 30+ games.

In 16 years of using Track I have only had 1 ball die on me. I didn't have a problem with it though because it had at least 300 games on it. I used it for 4 years as my benchmark ball.
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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2007, 05:27:51 PM »
a 20 year old turbo x? is that true or did i get old quick? c'mon now, your nose is growin'.

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2007, 06:28:51 PM »
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I have an angular one that is used as a spare ball. I had good reaction for the first 35 games then it died. I routinely clean my equipment after every set. I even tried to redrill the ball so I could get a different reation and it is not any better. The AO and the Storm spitfire are the only balls that I have had this happen to. I will not buy another product of theirs until I start reading post that prove they have fixed their problem.
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   My Angular went junk too. Gave it to my kid who can hook plastic. He doesnt even like it.



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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2007, 07:00:02 PM »
How much do you want for one ot the tnv I am very interested shipped to indiana. Thanks

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2007, 07:22:54 PM »
Say Greg, have you tried hitting the ball really, really heavy with with 180 grit wet/dry? Then bringing it back to oob. I'm wondering if the ball is glazing over in the track area, either from the surface being a little soft or the friction from hitting the dry with alot of revs. There has to be a simple reason for this happening but nobody is seeing it. Maybe the pores in the ball are so small the dirt is getting jammed in and wont come out and then just keeps getting pushed farther in. It would be real interesting to look at the surface under some magnification.

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Re: All done with Ebo
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 07:47:54 PM »
Greg, I checked out the krusinklassics site. I thought I could see what kind of car you have but the members page doesn't have any pics. I've got a 66 Chevy Caprice and a 38 Ford pu. After them, bowling is my favorite thing.

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