Author Topic: Do you guys believe now? (Read 5835 times)

DP3 · « **on:** March 14, 2007, 12:41:39 AM »

I posted this tidbit of info on the TNV back on 12/22/06.

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Posted: 12/22/2006 11:20 PM
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I emailed a staffer today who threw the seed ball and he says:

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"I am not hyping up anything....but this ball WILL change ball reaction and carry as we know it. I threw 10 games today on a house shot and had a low game of 224. I had a 289, two 299s and a 298 all in that stretch. I even threw a few shots thumbless, yet the read stayed predictable in the midlane and it hooked the same, just finished alot stronger. I then went to another pair with the Long Junior Gold sport pattern and averaged 251 on it. I had zero error for room with my No Limit, One and Infinite One, but I could miss 3 right with the TNV and still come in strong enough for a strong messenger. Imagine combining the XXXCel with the Angular One, then a ball that finishes 3 times as hard! The way this ball carries hits is phenominal. It isn't really the hook potential that will wow everyone, but the strength and continuation at the pindeck that it has. Alot of old timers will be upset when everyone who buys this gets an extra 10-15 sticks in average. This will be one of the biggest releases of the post resin era."

Edited on 12/22/2006 11:20 PM

Seems like ever since the release it's been a literal heatwave of ridiculously high scoring from everyone that seems to use this ball. Would anyone now agree with the above statements?
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Edited on 3/14/2007 8:41 AM

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2007, 08:53:24 AM »

I've only put two games (247-232) on my TNV so far, so I don't have a wealth of experience from which to draw. From what I've seen, the hit is impressive, but I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that it is that far above everything else that I've thrown. To me, if you match up correctly, just about every ball put out these days hits like a bomb going off in the deck.

I do, however, agree that this will continue to be a huge release. The ball likes to get down the lane and make a nasty hard move to the hole, and that will be enough to draw many people in. We all know how much people like to hook the ball, and the TNV will certainly do that in fine fashion. Couple that with the ball's good visual appearance and solid carry, and you have a ball that will be flying off the shelves rapidly for quite some time.

Then again, as soon as Ebonite releases a newer version of it, which you know will happen sooner or later, people will forget about the TNV and start buying that ball up. Look at how The One has been pushed aside these days.

It amazes me how ball companies continually blow their own stuff out of the water by releasing new stuff every other month. Then again, if the public is willing to buy, I guess they have no reason not to.
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Greg T · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2007, 08:59:23 AM »

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I've only put two games (247-232) on my TNV so far, so I don't have a wealth of experience from which to draw. From what I've seen, the hit is impressive, but I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that it is that far above everything else that I've thrown. To me, if you match up correctly, just about every ball put out these days hits like a bomb going off in the deck.

I do, however, agree that this will continue to be a huge release. The ball likes to get down the lane and make a nasty hard move to the hole, and that will be enough to draw many people in. We all know how much people like to hook the ball, and the TNV will certainly do that in fine fashion. Couple that with the ball's good visual appearance and solid carry, and you have a ball that will be flying off the shelves rapidly for quite some time.

Then again, as soon as Ebonite releases a newer version of it, which you know will happen sooner or later, people will forget about the TNV and start buying that ball up. Look at how The One has been pushed aside these days.

It amazes me how ball companies continually blow their own stuff out of the water by releasing new stuff every other month. Then again, if the public is willing to buy, I guess they have no reason not to.
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And, adding to this, it seems like the best ball in any line is the first release. I still think The One is the best of the One line. My AO sucked from day 1, my Big One was just a little earlier than the One, and so on. I believe it will be the same way in the NV series. For my game, I find it difficult to believe that anything can top the TNV. Unless they have a radio controlled model in the making.

azguy · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2007, 09:11:45 AM »

That's what I need, the radio controlled version !! Then again,I was never good with a joy sick, oh well, guess I'll just struggle along.
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2007, 09:13:10 AM »

Curious .. have you guys had GREAT success with this ball on HEAVY OIL?
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Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2007, 09:21:43 AM »

Joe,

I haven't put mine to work on heavy oil. The two games I put on it in league the other night were the first two out of the box, and our league shot is standard medium at best.

I'm curious to see what the TNV would do on a long pattern such as Shark. I think the ball would give a nice push from in deep, but I fear that the change of direction would be too sharp to maintain consistency and carry. But I guess I'd have to actually try it on such a pattern before I could make that call.
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Greg T · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2007, 09:40:31 AM »

I'm on a 41 foot flood twice a week and I have only had one set under 600. Struggling the way I have for the past 5 years, trying to match me with a ball to the conditions, I have only mustered a 189 average. Since i have thrown the TNV I have thrown my first 700 in 5 years. In fact, I've thrown three of them with this ball. For the first time in my life i have grabbed another one and stuck it in the basement for future deployment!!

Current average is 197 and climbing. I'll be back to 200+ soon. This ball saved my game.

Edited on 3/14/2007 9:54 AM

Greg T · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2007, 10:51:54 AM »

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The Ball doesnt mae you score better.

Your MINDSET with the ball will make you score better.

But, if people can Blame the ball for a bad score, they can also blame the ball for a good score, even though that the ball has NOTHING to do with either.
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In a sense, you are right. But, also wrong. The ball is what you try to match to your game so that you can allow yourself to score to your potential. If you throw a ball that doesnt match your game, you'l have poor reaction and poor scoring ability. The ball that matches will allow you to score. so, yes, the ball does have something to do with scoring. But, NO, it isnt the ball. You still have to repeat good shots.

cland216 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2007, 09:17:48 AM »

How good is the ball in oil?

Well, I bought this ball a couple weeks ago, after coming to a new house and losing 18 pins off my average (200 to 182) because nothing moves here AND the pins don't carry well... Anyhow, this is the only ball that has put me over 600 this year (a 631 Sunday).

Here's an understatement: The ball comes in very strong.

It shreds the rack like nothing I've ever thrown. A very revolutionary ball in my opinion.
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Phoneman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2007, 09:22:18 AM »

I shot 791 last night with it. My highest set in 3 years. Ball is amazing in Med oil. I have a little issue with skid in true heavy oil. But since I very rarely see that I love this ball.

louie · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2007, 10:06:15 AM »

The tnv has been a huge seller in my area. However, I haven't seen scores jump as you describe. I have seen several people who were killing them with the One have back row issues with this ball. Too much entry angle? I've seen at least 4 people buy this ball and then bag it after 3 weeks and go back to what they were using before. I'm not knocking the TNV as it looks to be a good ball, but I don't see it as any better than any other pearl resin.
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Djarum · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2007, 10:36:58 AM »

Just watching league bowlers throw the ball, the only thing I can say is I like how the ball rolls. I'm not a huge fan of the shape of the hook this ball gives, but I do like how it rolls and continues through the pins. The only other ball I've seen that will do this is the Mean Machine, but it wasn't as popular as this ball has become.

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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2007, 11:08:09 PM »

since i am here and reading this post i will offer my 2 cents. I really do belive that certain balls do offer mistake room and a higher cary percentage on some conditions. I have thrown shots with my no mercy and phenom unleashed where the only reason the shot carried was because of the balls action at the deck. That being said I was just telling someone who asked my advice on picking a ball that no one ball in the avg. joe bowlers hand is going to make him or her above avg.Its not the ball that makes shots its the bowler.If it were the ball there would be a 7 10 split ball.Everyone has left it more than once ,but how many can say they have made one,and yet there isnt a ball for them . That kinda far fetched ,but my point is its not the ball that makes the bowler its the bowler that makes the ball. Look at the pros;Walter ray has one titles with probably every ball manufacturer,the only constant in his game is his ability to make shots over and over and over again.He won a tournament with a phenom unleashed after i had mine.I thought ok I have a good ball because walter used it,but i am not walter Its a good ball,but i dont have the shot making ability he has and the ball cant give me that.I did howver shoot the ugliest 300 ever seen with it and i do give the ball alot of credit,i made some really bad shots.I havent shot one since and its not the balls fault
I know i am rambling sorry.My point is that avg. bowlers need practice and training to improve there game. Guys that avg. 2teens and over benefit more from the hypo balls than we the avg. joe . So they can make a new ball every week ,but until we invest more in our game than we do in whats in our bag we are just gonna be avg. joe bowler. I am not buying another new ball untill i shoot 700 on a regular basis,until i am 28 or 29 clean frames every night i bowl and until I understand what i have now and how and when to use it.
Oh yeah i did see a guy throw the tnv and he really made it look aweful and he is a 200 bowler.
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:38:39 AM »

Inverted .. I have one .. agree with your assessment 100%
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Necromancer · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:58:16 AM »

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since i am here and reading this post i will offer my 2 cents. I really do belive that certain balls do offer mistake room and a higher cary percentage on some conditions. I have thrown shots with my no mercy and phenom unleashed where the only reason the shot carried was because of the balls action at the deck. That being said I was just telling someone who asked my advice on picking a ball that no one ball in the avg. joe bowlers hand is going to make him or her above avg.Its not the ball that makes shots its the bowler.If it were the ball there would be a 7 10 split ball.Everyone has left it more than once ,but how many can say they have made one,and yet there isnt a ball for them . That kinda far fetched ,but my point is its not the ball that makes the bowler its the bowler that makes the ball. Look at the pros;Walter ray has one titles with probably every ball manufacturer,the only constant in his game is his ability to make shots over and over and over again.He won a tournament with a phenom unleashed after i had mine.I thought ok I have a good ball because walter used it,but i am not walter Its a good ball,but i dont have the shot making ability he has and the ball cant give me that.I did howver shoot the ugliest 300 ever seen with it and i do give the ball alot of credit,i made some really bad shots.I havent shot one since and its not the balls fault
I know i am rambling sorry.My point is that avg. bowlers need practice and training to improve there game. Guys that avg. 2teens and over benefit more from the hypo balls than we the avg. joe . So they can make a new ball every week ,but until we invest more in our game than we do in whats in our bag we are just gonna be avg. joe bowler. I am not buying another new ball untill i shoot 700 on a regular basis,until i am 28 or 29 clean frames every night i bowl and until I understand what i have now and how and when to use it.
Oh yeah i did see a guy throw the tnv and he really made it look aweful and he is a 200 bowler.
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I agree. I don't believe the hype on the Total NV. It is all about the bowler. Show me the Total NV hooking out of 40+ feet of very heavy tournament oil (not the "heavy" every single person seems to think is heavy, but heavy where NO ONE is hooking more than 3-4 boards in the whole tournament). I have already read many posts that this is good for MEDIUM conditions. That is great and all but there are 100's of other balls that do just this. In the end, it is all about superior accuracy when it comes to true competitive conditions, not that cheesy house shot that I see this ball shown on all the time to make it seem like God. That is my $0.03!

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