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Frederick

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Ebonite Coverstocks
« on: January 15, 2007, 09:25:11 AM »
I read alot of posts about Ebonite covers dying so quickly. Is this really true and if so, why is it?

 

Rileybowler

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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 05:27:21 PM »
I don't know that it is or not but if so these new balls that they have are just like sponges on the lanes sucking up oil and if you can't get it out well its not going to hook anywhere like it did when it was new
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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 11:20:36 AM »
Just shot a 255 the other night with my tiger.  bought it around 1999 or 2000. ball has probably 2500 games at least on it.  My current balls for lighter oil are my savage flip and savage pearl.  I have to look for oil to use my pantera (it has tamed down quite a bit).  Apex intensity is still rolling and carrying well.. so I can say with some confidence, they last.

The ones however haven't seen that many games yet, so hard to say.

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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 02:45:30 PM »
its only an issue with the one series, a ball can lose hooking potential if the cover is not cleaned. the cover dictates most of the balls motion and hook and if the cover has so much dirt and oil in it it CAN lose a lot of hook. Thers a lot of ignorant people out there who will start pointing fingers at ball company becuase of a bad experience and not know why.
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Frederick

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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 03:01:49 PM »
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its only an issue with the one series, a ball can lose hooking potential if the cover is not cleaned. the cover dictates most of the balls motion and hook and if the cover has so much dirt and oil in it it CAN lose a lot of hook. Thers a lot of ignorant people out there who will start pointing fingers at ball company because of a bad experience and not know why.
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Edited on 1/16/2007 3:45 PM
I've heard people say they have cleaned their One religiously and still died after 50 or so games. I really want to try one of the One serious but i'm afraid to spend my money on a cover thats going to require too much maintenance. If theres any special way or product you recommend, i'll definetly try it out.

Lefty210

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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 03:08:37 PM »
I have been an avid ebonite fan for quite a while and I agree with a previous post....Balls dying are not just highlighted to Ebonite but every company. I have owned quite a few ebonite balls and non have died just yet. Still throw an 8-ball that I purchased in '97 and it still works.
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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 03:14:10 PM »
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its only an issue with the one series, a ball can lose hooking potential if the cover is not cleaned. the cover dictates most of the balls motion and hook and if the cover has so much dirt and oil in it it CAN lose a lot of hook. Thers a lot of ignorant people out there who will start pointing fingers at ball company because of a bad experience and not know why.
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Edited on 1/16/2007 3:45 PM
I've heard people say they have cleaned their One religiously and still died after 50 or so games. I really want to try one of the One serious but i'm afraid to spend my money on a cover thats going to require too much maintenance. If theres any special way or product you recommend, i'll definetly try it out.



with todays high tech coverstocks,  there is no short cuts.  when you buy that new car>>>. after so many miles>>> you need to put in some more gas.
and todays coverstocks need to be cleaned>>> as soon as possible after you finish bowling.  the jackie gleason days are over.

the coverstocks need to be cleaned,  and re-sanding,  or re-polished. i tell customers,  clean after every 3,   polish { if using a polish ball } after every 6, or sand after every 3-6.  if using the ball polished,  you still should re sand the ball after so many games.

yesterday a customer asked about his new total inferno.  had about 15 games on it.  asked if he should just put some more polish on it.  i said, no,  take your 1000 pad and sand it,  then apply your rough buff, and then go to high gloss.

he called first thing this morning>>> shot 725.
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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 04:20:29 PM »
I have had several Ebonite balls, my wife is a tried and true Ebonite freak, none of anything we have owned has died. I do not have the "One" series balls but do Hammer No Mercy's and they suck up oil like most of the new ones out. One thing to say, no matter who you are, if you don't clean the ball, it will die. Not just wipe it off, but clean, deep clean it, it will die no matter what company it is. A lot of new covers suck the oil and that's something the person has to remember.

Track Clean N Dull will save most new balls, as long as the person understand it has to be done regularly, I suggest after each set, but that's just me.
I have nothing but good things to say about Ebonite, would still be using them if it were not for the No Mercy and Toxic. If and when Ebonite comes out with a ball that is better , in my hand, than those two, I'll probably switch.
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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 06:19:33 PM »
Too many people took stock in using the cover number (absorbtion rate)to equate to ball death after minimal use. I am not a believer in about 90% of the cases. I do believe that maintaining surfaces in the 2000 and above grit levels become a huge deal in impacting reaction.  Most wood lanes surface is equivalent to about 600-800 and if i remember correctly synthetic is equivalent to 1000-1200 grit. So having a lower to higher grit friction the higher grit level will start taking on the surface of the lower grit. Even though you may clean a ball often it is effected by lane surface. Sometimes i believe the number logic on the covers turned to be somewhat a negative market plug. Other ball manufacturers have rates comparable from some rumors but have totally stayed away from promoting the rates as they see that can be negatively constrewed about performance. Have sold a lot of "one" series ball through one house and the bowlers that like them the most and use them most often are the ones who take care of their equipment the most and pay attention to their reaction noting when it changes.

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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 06:38:45 PM »
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Just shot a 255 the other night with my tiger.  bought it around 1999 or 2000. ball has probably 2500 games at least on it.  My current balls for lighter oil are my savage flip and savage pearl.  I have to look for oil to use my pantera (it has tamed down quite a bit).  Apex intensity is still rolling and carrying well.. so I can say with some confidence, they last.

The ones however haven't seen that many games yet, so hard to say.

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Herb, if this is true and I don't doubt it at all, the cover must have a fairly long life. I hear rumors that in your corner of the world, they actually use oil on the lanes.

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Re: Ebonite Coverstocks
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 11:39:15 PM »
I've still not seen any decreased performance in any of my equipment.  I simply clean the ball with a Powerhouse Oil-free Towel and Energizer cleaner after each use.
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