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Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« on: January 01, 2008, 04:43:07 AM »
I think everyone hates on Ebonite. Its kind of funny to me. It seems like everyone looks for any reason to hate Ebonite they can think of. Probably because they own half of the bowling industry. Thats my guess. It doesn't really matter to me, people are gonna buy whatever they want. But most of the things that people complain about Ebonite for can either be avoided (ball death) or seem to be just to complain (raising prices for on-line stores).

 

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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2008, 01:26:31 PM »
You think wrong.

Nothing to hate about them. They kept the Columbia and Track name in operation for the Columbia and Track fans, when Columbia300 management didn't.

Personally, I wish Ebonite's own balls were such oil suckers, but that's the way it goes. Under their own brand name and Hammer's, which they also brought back from "death", they have quite a lot of fans. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been in shape to do what they did for (not, "to") Columbia300.

They don't, as near as I can tell, own half the bowling industry, while they do own quite a few good brand names.
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2008, 01:34:23 PM »
Don't confuse the distribution system disscussion going on concurrently with hatred of Ebonite. For the most part, people are tryng to make sense of the changes that are being made - all while speculating on the ultimate results of said changes.

Is there some specific post or thread that is leading you to the conclusion that you have drawn?
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2008, 04:00:42 PM »
I dont' think anyone hates them but they would be the easiest to hate on because they own the BIGGER name brands that most shops carry. I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends. Which on a short sport shots not a good thing. I don't hate them or talk bad about them, they make great stuff, just I don't match up with it.
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2008, 04:45:11 PM »
As for me...I love what Ebonite has/is doing for Hammer. They're definitely ahead of the game as far as the business side of things go, and they're showing no signs of slowing down. Ebonite's great...anything to compete with El Brunswick lol.

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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2008, 05:15:52 PM »
I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer.  They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with.  When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans.  It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2008, 05:20:14 PM »
Right now it seems to be a toss up between Ebonite and Brunswick.
Ebonite due to the whole price thing.
Brunswick seems to be for everything else.
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2008, 05:38:30 PM »
Some people hate the company, but for the most part, those are the people that are advocates of the other big companies (storm and brunswick).  These other companies seem to resent the success of Ebonite to a degree, but even that being said, there isn't a great contingent of these people.  

As far as what they have done for the other companies under their control, it seems like nothing but positives.  Hammer was faultering, and now they have a good high end line, great value at the raw hammer series price point, and one of the most successful lines with the Black Widows.  

Track had some success with their stuff prior to ebonite buying them out, but the kinetic and temper have been pretty good, and the rising also looks good.  Columbia underwent a great deal of difficulty with the bully line, and the action line has had mixed success.  They have since come out with the rival and resurgence, both of which look quite good.

The only negative that I can see, is the strategic placement of these companies, though even this can be seen as a positive in some ways.  Columbia doesn't have any asyms out right now and tends to have rollier equipment, while Track has more angular stuff.  If one likes to mix and match companies, they can get a great variety of stuff, but if they want to stick to either Columbia or Track, their choices are a bit more limited (especially with Columbia and their symmetrical stuff that can not really be tuned like the asyms of Track).
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2008, 05:40:34 PM »
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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer.  They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with.  When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans.  It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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WRONG SIR,   when Ebonite bought hammer, it was at a time when we could not give a hammer away.  now we stock 7 different hammer models, and they all sell.

as for Columbia or Track, both were selling very well when they were bought out by Ebonite.  which was probably the reason Ebonite bought them.

and further more sir,  another reason Columbia may have sold to Ebonite is EPA related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


oh, you did not know that did you,  did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.

Ebonite is doing a great job, and their new plan will help the whole industry.



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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2008, 05:42:42 PM »

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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2008, 05:48:29 PM »
NicholasE,
 Maybe you've hit on the next best thing that Ebonite could do for themselves.....
 You stated that Ebonite doesn't match up for you because they're pretty much big backend balls.
 So why shouldn't they specialize the ball brand names they own??????
 For example:
 Ebonite---skid snap balls coverstocks/weight block designs
 Hammer---heavy oiler balls,etc
 Track---light/mediums
 Columbia--arc equipment
 Where AMF,Roto-Grip,and Dynothane would fit(if Ebonite owns those names also)I'm not sure.
 Just a knee jerk reaction here............

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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2008, 05:49:53 PM »
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oh, you did not know that did you,  did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.


As someone who lived there when this took place, everyone I know was told that one of the reasons for the move was because the plant was too outdated. It was cheaper to move than to give the plant a makeover. Nobody I know in the business and that had been inside the plant considered it modern. I had been in the front offices several times, but not the plant area, but I couldn't have noticed a difference either way.
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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2008, 05:53:33 PM »
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oh, you did not know that did you,  did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.


As someone who lived there when this took place, everyone I know was told that one of the reasons for the move was because the plant was too outdated. It was cheaper to move than to give the plant a makeover. Nobody I know in the business and that had been inside the plant considered it modern. I had been in the front offices several times, but not the plant area, but I couldn't have noticed a difference either way.
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sir,  i have heard from people in the oil business,  that there "may have been a EPA issue" with the land the plant was on.  the cost of the cleanup may have been a factor in selling.  

as for their sales at the time of the sale.  i thought they were doing very well, at least in my area.

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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2008, 05:57:14 PM »
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I think everyone hates on Ebonite. Its kind of funny to me. It seems like everyone looks for any reason to hate Ebonite they can think of. Probably because they own half of the bowling industry. Thats my guess. It doesn't really matter to me, people are gonna buy whatever they want. But most of the things that people complain about Ebonite for can either be avoided (ball death) or seem to be just to complain (raising prices for on-line stores).



sir,  i don't think this compares as to when someone else move to Mexico.
then so many on this site went postal.  saying things like they will  never buy from they again etc.  it did not happen,  why, cause that company has good products.  and it won't happen here either,  why, cause Ebonie has good products.  


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Re: Ebonite the most hated ball company??
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2008, 06:05:10 PM »
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......
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I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.


But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"  

Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich.  Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.  
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