Author Topic: mission,no offense intended to anyone (Read 7556 times)

toomanytenpins · « **on:** February 21, 2010, 09:45:08 PM »

I have a mission and i must have it drilled wrong so i am looking for advice. My ball is just the opposite of everything i am reading.Drilled pin under bridge mb 45 degrees which put the pin 4,1/2 inches from pap as i was told. My pap 4,5/16x1/2 up.I throw 12 to 14 mph based on lane equipment readings,and i am right handed. This ball, as it is,for me,is best on short 2nd shift shots. I was able to swing 25 to five on this type shot with no problem,with room to miss.On fresher longer shots it wont finish playing up 15. Its just not reading the pattern. I see its potential on broken down patterns,but its no first game ball and this is contrary to what i have seen and red.I am not going to sell it ,but i want to know how i should have it drilled so i might benefit from its prowess.
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snowspike1 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2010, 06:09:10 AM »

how about trying down 10 or the track area (6th board).

sounds to me your play'n in too much or too close to the oil for the current surface. thats mho but i havent thrown that ball.

I'm thinking kelly was throwing in that area when she took Barnes out....

just a suggestion.

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2010, 06:26:27 AM »

As near as I can tell -
This ball, with the stock surface is a medium-heavy oiler, at a minimum. You have relatively low ball speed and yet you placed the pin below the level of the bridge. PLUS you kicked the stong MB way out: 45 degrees. 45 degrees for a drill angle is good if you have very firm ball speed or you have lots of tilt. Without either you''re just killing the backend. That makes the ball try to get into an early roll with a small, very controlled backend. I strongly suspect this ball is burning up in the heads and the midlane and nothing left by the time it hits the pins. It is definitely not a 2nd shift ball without lots of gloss polish and then it should flip unmercifully hard.
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Edited on 2/22/2010 7:46 AM

toomanytenpins · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2010, 07:20:07 AM »

basic adjustments is not my problem. If the ball was burning up why would it work on less than a fresh shot. why would the ball read respond and react so well on a shorter pattern with less oil. I wish like i said i could show someone what i am seeing so everyone wouldnt think i was crazy. The ball losing energy might result in 10 pins or pocket 7 tens and might warrant a ball change.If you step up,in warm ups and the ball goes 60 feet playing up 7 standing 15,which is verry tight for me,and washes out,and you make a ball change move 5 boards right and run brook i dont understand burnup. If i can go in a bowling alley,stand 35 play out to 5 at the break and strike if i miss in or out on a broken down shot where does burnup come into play. I would think i wouldnt be able to play on the drier shot and carry at all.I would also think that i should be able to get to the pocket on a fresh ths 39 feet,especially playingup the track,not swinging,straight up the track and have some symbolis of miss room .If i was throwing my fast on this shot i would expect not to carry,or not to recover if i miss a board. I would and do expect to play my fast straighter to the pocket. If i had no reference i might not ask the question,if i werent seeing something that didnt seem quite right i would say ok its me. my fast is drilled pin up 6 inches to pap no surface change and i know that if i play it on a fresh ths i have to move right tender my speed and play up the track with no belly if i want to get to the pocket. I didnt know i was going to have to play the mission the exact same way. If thats the case then i guess i will sell it if its no better than a weak drilled pearl.
I have a magic drilled pin up over ring stacked its no oiler but i didnt intend it to be.It plays the exact same way the mission does and its polished. Like i said i thought there might be something i should do that i didnt i.e drilling,to get it to where, from all accounts,.It should be.If i am wrong and the mission isnt any better than the magic then i wasted money and its for sale mybe a strong drilling on a fast with surface is what i needed.Wish i had thought of that before i forked over the cash for another high end only for certain type of bowlers bowling ball.
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tizzle · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2010, 09:24:35 AM »

That should hook out the house... I don't understand how it doesn't.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2010, 09:47:38 AM »

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basic adjustments is not my problem. If the ball was burning up why would it work on less than a fresh shot. why would the ball read respond and react so well on a shorter pattern with less oil.

There are any number of reasons for this.
- a house shot tends to hide differences in balls. (this can be the entire problem)
- it is a pearl and you might have gotten just enough of a control burn in the heads and midlane to carry.
- maybe your speed is not as low as you think it is,
etc

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I wish like i said i could show someone what i am seeing so everyone wouldnt think i was crazy.

No one thinks you''''re crazy. I think you''''re very lucky to be able to use the ball on conditions for which it was NOT intended without having to change the stock surface.

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The ball losing energy might result in 10 pins or pocket 7 tens and might warrant a ball change.

That is a bare minimum of losing energy. If you are describing the amount of oil you are bowling on correctly, your Mission is losing more than that.

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If you step up,in warm ups and the ball goes 60 feet playing up 7 standing 15,which is verry tight for me,and washes out,and you make a ball change move 5 boards right and run brook i dont understand burnup. If i can go in a bowling alley,stand 35 play out to 5 at the break and strike if i miss in or out on a broken down shot where does burnup come into play. I would think i wouldnt be able to play on the drier shot and carry at all.

Again, unless you are on a sport shot, house blended oil pattern can enable people to use anything from an Invasion to a Tropical Storm.

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I would also think that i should be able to get to the pocket on a fresh ths 39 feet,especially playingup the track,not swinging,straight up the track and have some symbolis of miss room .If i was throwing my fast on this shot i would expect not to carry,or not to recover if i miss a board. I would and do expect to play my fast straighter to the pocket. If i had no reference i might not ask the question,if i werent seeing something that didnt seem quite right i would say ok its me. my fast is drilled pin up 6 inches to pap no surface change and i know that if i play it on a fresh ths i have to move right tender my speed and play up the track with no belly if i want to get to the pocket. I didnt know i was going to have to play the mission the exact same way. If thats the case then i guess i will sell it if its no better than a weak drilled pearl.

Also there is that drilling, as others have also pointed out.
That MB position will tend to mute the main feature of the Mission, its backend, Unless you have high rotation, and/or tilt.

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I have a magic drilled pin up over ring stacked its no oiler but i didnt intend it to be.It plays the exact same way the mission does and its polished. Like i said i thought there might be something i should do that i didnt i.e drilling,to get it to where, from all accounts,.It should be.If i am wrong and the mission isnt any better than the magic then i wasted money and its for sale mybe a strong drilling on a fast with surface is what i needed.Wish i had thought of that before i forked over the cash for another high end only for certain type of bowlers bowling ball.
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling

If you''''re already convinced of that, in spite what I already wrote, then this reply is wasted too, if you didn''''t believe me or anyone else. Sorry, just sell it then.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Edited on 2/22/2010 10:49 AM

toomanytenpins · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2010, 09:52:10 AM »

ok should the mb moved closer to the thumb,all i am asking for is possible drilliongs that can correct what i am seeing and the enability to use the ball as it was intended
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling

JustABowler · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:01:35 AM »

Try using a 30* drill angle with pin at 4 inches and mb at a 70* angle. This will allow the ball to retain axis but still flare for a decent amount of oil.

J_w73 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:29:14 AM »

quote:
As near as I can tell -
This ball, with the stock surface is a medium-heavy oiler, at a minimum. You have relatively low ball speed and yet you placed the pin below the level of the bridge. PLUS you kicked the stong MB way out: 45 degrees. 45 degrees for a drill angle is good if you have very firm ball speed or you have lots of tilt. Without either you''re just killing the backend. That makes the ball try to get into an early roll with a small, very controlled backend. I strongly suspect this ball is burning up in the heads and the midlane and nothing left by the time it hits the pins. It is definitely not a 2nd shift ball without lots of gloss polish and then it should flip unmercifully hard.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Edited on 2/22/2010 7:46 AM

I agree with charlest on this one.. I had pretty much the same drill on my cell (pin under . 45* mb) and it did the exact thing you are talking about.. I hated the ball and I just didn't see the shine out of it that everyone else did.

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HAMMERDOWN103 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:54:24 AM »

What is your rev rate??? My mom throws the ball that slow and her plastic ball hooks on a ths. If you have a fairly decent rev rate i would suggest going to 1000 or 500 and toy around with angles. Not to insult your or anything, but up 15 on a long fresh pattern is a very tight line...
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bighook69 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:20:25 PM »

no offense taken, mine works great.

I think yours is loosing too much energy early... try some polish... or get rid of it, tons of people want one of these

BT808 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:48:00 PM »

I'm going through the same thing with my Jigsaw Corner right now... it just doesnt roll well for me on anything. I'm thinking about either plugging and drilling to go longer (I think its burning up) or just plugging the ball and drilling it for my wife.
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Brian Taylor
Terre Haute, IN

J_w73 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:57:28 PM »

quote:
I'm going through the same thing with my Jigsaw Corner right now... it just doesnt roll well for me on anything. I'm thinking about either plugging and drilling to go longer (I think its burning up) or just plugging the ball and drilling it for my wife.
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Brian Taylor
Terre Haute, IN

How is your jigsaw drilled up ??
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185

BT808 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2010, 02:06:47 PM »

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/btaylorjr/Bowling%20Balls/IMG_2840Medium.jpg

It's 4.5" pin to PAP
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Brian Taylor
Terre Haute, IN

J_w73 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2010, 02:18:50 PM »

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http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/btaylorjr/Bowling%20Balls/IMG_2840Medium.jpg

It's 4.5" pin to PAP
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Brian Taylor
Terre Haute, IN

Looks like a decent drilling for strong backend . I don't know about the x-hole though. I would have rather had it down your VAL a bit..mght be just a cover issue.. like with the Mission in the OP I would try a cover adjustment first.
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185

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