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Greg T

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70 Games and still STRONG
« on: January 15, 2008, 03:11:06 PM »

 As you all know, I have been griping about Ebo coverstock death, within about 30 games, for quite some time. This year i've decided to go with Hammer. I have a Beat'n that now has about 70+ games on it and it is still going strong. I have soaked it and surfaced it once. I'm already happy cuz this is new to me. After wasting tons of money on Ebo death I now have equipment that I can throw for an entire season.....and maybe beyond!!!  Hammer on!!!



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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 05:01:02 AM »
Hammer=Ebonite. It all in everyones head. Take care of your Ebonite equipment and it will take care of you. I don't get how everyone thinks it is only Ebonite that dies. Any ball will not hook if you don't get the oil out.

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 As you all know, I have been griping about Ebo coverstock death, within about 30 games, for quite some time. This year i've decided to go with Hammer. I have a Beat'n that now has about 70+ games on it and it is still going strong. I have soaked it and surfaced it once. I'm already happy cuz this is new to me. After wasting tons of money on Ebo death I now have equipment that I can throw for an entire season.....and maybe beyond!!!  Hammer on!!!



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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 06:48:53 AM »
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Hammer=Ebonite. It all in everyones head. Take care of your Ebonite equipment and it will take care of you. I don't get how everyone thinks it is only Ebonite that dies. Any ball will not hook if you don't get the oil out.

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 As you all know, I have been griping about Ebo coverstock death, within about 30 games, for quite some time. This year i've decided to go with Hammer. I have a Beat'n that now has about 70+ games on it and it is still going strong. I have soaked it and surfaced it once. I'm already happy cuz this is new to me. After wasting tons of money on Ebo death I now have equipment that I can throw for an entire season.....and maybe beyond!!!  Hammer on!!!



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  I won't buy into this arguement again, but, suffice it to say that I have about 15 Ebo balls left in my basement that look new and are useless. So far, my first hammer in many years has proven itself.


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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 07:09:30 AM »
Way to make a change there Greg.  70 games, eh?  You must be so proud.  When you put 200, 300, 500 games on it and its still going strong, then you can wave your hands at ball death.  A ball that lasts six months instead of three isn't avoiding ball death, it's what you should expect and demand.

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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 07:09:55 AM »
Greg, I think certain bowling balls do lose there punch quickly compared to others.  I've had several original No Mercy's and all of them had lost some of there punch quickly but can be re-gained with hot water baths and re-surface jobs.  I just think this particular ball is so strong when new that it's easy to see a drop in performance after it breaks in.

I have had some great success with Hammer.
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 07:23:16 AM »
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Greg, I think certain bowling balls do lose there punch quickly compared to others.  I've had several original No Mercy's and all of them had lost some of there punch quickly but can be re-gained with hot water baths and re-surface jobs.  I just think this particular ball is so strong when new that it's easy to see a drop in performance after it breaks in.

I have had some great success with Hammer.


  Thats my point. I have tried everything to bring my Ebos back, but after 30 to 40 games they are done. My Beat'N was losing a little about 50 games so I soaked it, surfaced it, and it came right back. I don't mind a bal losing some if it is capapble of being restored. Ebo is not. So far, Hammer is working very well. It's already twice as good.



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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 07:24:43 AM »
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Way to make a change there Greg.  70 games, eh?  You must be so proud.  When you put 200, 300, 500 games on it and its still going strong, then you can wave your hands at ball death.  A ball that lasts six months instead of three isn't avoiding ball death, it's what you should expect and demand.

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  A ball that lasts one season will make me happy when compared to what I am used to.
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 07:49:50 AM »
GregT,

  Is there really a difference?  Not trying to doubt here, but I was thinking hammer=ebonite also, so am a bit surprised to find comments about hammer out lasting ebonite.

  Had been looking at an anger, vibe, or doom, but hadn't really wanted something that would die.  I have an ebo gamebreaker with 20-30 games on it that hasn't died, but I maintain constant cover preps just to keep it from dying.... just in case.
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 08:15:56 AM »
Greg, et. al. -
Is it possible that there are only certain formulations of coverstocks within the Ebonite family that have issues? One ball model may be OK, but another with a slightly different/modified coverstock has problems due to absorption?!

Since I don't know off the top of my head, what are the coverstocks on the Beat'n, the TNV, and the BW? Are they all similar, or are they all different?

Just a thought.
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2008, 08:32:53 AM »
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Greg, et. al. -
Is it possible that there are only certain formulations of coverstocks within the Ebonite family that have issues? One ball model may be OK, but another with a slightly different/modified coverstock has problems due to absorption?!

Since I don't know off the top of my head, what are the coverstocks on the Beat'n, the TNV, and the BW? Are they all similar, or are they all different?

Just a thought.
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 My experience with Ebo is extensive, since I've used them for years. Every Ebo I have thrown in the last 5 years has died. Even back in the days of the Savage, Savage flip, Primal Instinct, V2 series (not quite as bad), and the entire "one" series, along with the TNV. Yes, thay have ALL died. Last year I went thru 3 TNVs to make the season. My Beat'N right now after 70+ games is still like new. I could not rejuvinate the Ebos rergardless of what I tried. Hook again (useless), baking, (useless), soaking (useless), CPR (useless). It didn't matter. All it took for my Hammer is a good soak and resurface. I know that 70 or 75 games is still a far cry from being durable, but it hasnt quit yet. I may very well be rid of ball death. We'll see.

  And YES, there is a huge difference between Hammer and Ebo. Hope it stays that way.



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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 11:26:17 AM »
I can tell you that I have a fellow coach that coaches with me in the Youth Leagues that had a TNV die on him. He cleaned it after every set, and saw that it was dramatically losing reaction.  He did the hot water treatment and also put it through the rejuvinator and it never recovered.  He ended up getting another TNV.

In the same time span, I have a No Mercy Beat'n and have not seen any loss of reaction.  I have seen a loss of reaction in my Black Widow Pearl.  I think this may be due to the resurfacing that I did on my Black Widow Pearl.  I put it at lower grit than 4000 grit and that should match the reaction that I had out of box.

The Hammer Real Deal that I used to have had no loss in reaction in over 100 games that I put on it.
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 01:13:00 AM »
i used to have an epx t1 and it had over 300 games on it and it still hooked...tremendously.
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 06:22:14 AM »
GregT
Nice so Ebonite produces a better quality coverstock for their Hammer Line vs. their own Ebonite Line? I don't think so!
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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 08:51:01 AM »
I stayed away from Ebo and Hammer for years b/c of cracking and death issues.  I finally gave in and punched the Anger.

I used the ball about 75 games without any loss in hooking action.  I did a light resurface and de-oil at the 75 game mark.  Pretty much no oil came out of the ball.  I returned it to box finish and it has been a very good piece for me, around a 100 to 110 games on it at this point.

I just punched the BW Bite and I'll keep close track of the reaction on that.  

Overall, I've been pleased with the Hammer stuff.  I drilled my wife a Ebo Raid.  She doesn't clean any of her equipment.  It has 75 games on it with no visible loss in reaction.

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Re: 70 Games and still STRONG
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 09:24:47 AM »
Very Simple, Stronger the coverstock more maintance is needed to keep up performance.  My BMW cost to maintain then a Ford
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